Theos-Talk Archives (May 2005 Message tt00350)

Unfortunately, what might end up happening is that the fundamentalists
may separate and regroup, slowly forming their own theology without
philosophy. It would clearly define what is true and what is false;
This is something that is generally more appealing to people because
it takes out the step of actually thinking for yourself.

It's even scary enough to consider taking measures to prevent it.

-Mark H.

On 5/11/05, Erica Letzerich <eletzerich@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Krishtar,
> 
> Theosophy will never be a religion. But yeah there is a growing
> dangerous of we or future generations to witness the birth of a new
> religion. The Secret Doctrine will be the bible and Blavatsky the
> daughter of a virgin or fount of a miraculous birth. And this is the
> direction our fundamentalist's friends are walking towards. They
> believe, as it was mentioned here in recent previous post,
> everything after Blavatsky's writings are second hand teachings.
> 
> Erica
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" <krishtar_a@b...>
> wrote:
> > Leon
> > I make your words, mine.
> > Open mind is the first thing we ought to bear in mind when
> studying any philosophy.
> > Curiously, man can transform any belief into a religion.
> > I just wonder how would all things be if Krishnamurti didnīt split
> with the movement and really become its head ,just like Leadbeater
> expected and managed to.
> > Theosophy would probably be considered , turned into an organized
> religion, with all the pomp it needed.
> > From sacraments - under the guide of a Mahachohan - to very
> complicated rituals...oh God.
> > Just my view, of course.
> >
> > K
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: leonmaurer@a...
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: "Blavatsky died with cigarette in
> mouth." (corrected)
> >
> >
> > All these "facts" presented by Amand Gholap are nothing more
> than personal
> > opinions -- conditioned by his own prejudicial biases, beliefs
> and convictions
> > -- that have been refuted over and over again by the Masters and
> others. When
> > will he wake up and see things as they really are?
> >
> > The real nature of reality can never be written down. This
> includes both HPB
> > and CWL who saw the fundamental ontological basis of reality
> from their own
> > individually personal points of view which incorporated their
> own particular
> > emotional and mental biases which was also conditioned by their
> education and
> > the times and societies they lived in.
> >
> > Therefore, neither of them could explain -- if we take their
> dead letters at
> > their face value -- the true nature of occult reality that would
> be consistent
> > with each other. Nevertheless Blavatsky gave it out first in
> its entirely,
> > and taught it to both Besant and Leadbeater -- who then
> reinterpreted it based
> > on their personal biases toward the Christian religion that they
> were co
> > nditioned into believing since birth. Blavatsky pushed it in
> the opposite
> > direction because she was conditioned to hate the Jesuits and
> Catholicism and thus was
> > biased against all organized religions of a personal God
> nature. Thus all
> > their inner visions are questionable. As for fundamental
> reality and its
> > metaphysical ontology, that has never changed. And has its
> basis in fundamental
> > truths that go beyond any written interpretation.
> >
> > That's why HPB said, when not so conditioned, that the real
> occult
> > ontological truth is hidden "in and around the words and between
> the lines," and only
> > through our own intuition and self devised study and practice,
> could we ever
> > truly understand it in its entirely. Thus we each have to find
> that truth for
> > ourselves, and cannot be stuck in the dead letter writings of
> either HPB or CWL.
> >
> > The problem here is that Amand is as much a "dead letter"
> Leadbeater
> > fundamentalist as those who read the Secret Doctrine in its dead
> letter are Blavatsky
> > fundamentalists.
> >
> > The true occultists/theosophists are neither. And take what
> they know to be
> > the truth from their own inner intuitive understanding -- based
> on a
> > comprehensive study of all the writings and interpretations, so
> as to compare them,
> > cull out the inconsistencies and arrive at the "golden mean" of
> absolute truth
> > through their own direct inner visionary experience -- without
> any biases or
> > prejudices that come from the conditioning of their lower
> natures.
> >
> > Enough said.
> >
> > Leon Maurer
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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-- 
Mark Hamilton Jr.
waking.adept@gmail.com