Theos-Talk Archives (May 2005 Message tt00332)

All these "facts" presented by Amand Gholap are nothing more than personal 
opinions -- conditioned by his own prejudicial biases, beliefs and convictions 
-- that have been refuted over and over again by the Masters and others. When 
will he wake up and see things as they really are? 

The real nature of reality can never be written down. This includes both HPB 
and CWL who saw the fundamental ontological basis of reality from their own 
individually personal points of view which incorporated their own particular 
emotional and mental biases which was also conditioned by their education and 
the times and societies they lived in. 

Therefore, neither of them could explain -- if we take their dead letters at 
their face value -- the true nature of occult reality that would be consistent 
with each other. Nevertheless Blavatsky gave it out first in ts entirely, 
and taught it to both Besant and Leadbeater -- who then reinterpreted it based 
on their personal biases toward the Christian religion that they were con
ditioned into believing since birth. Blavatsky pushed it in the opposite direction 
because she was conditioned to hate the Jesuits and Catholicism and thus all 
organized religions of a personal God nature. Thus all their inner visions 
are questionable. As for fundamental reality and its metphysical ontology, that 
has never changed. And has its basis in fundamental truths in that goes 
beyond any written interpretation. 

That's why HPB said, when not so conditioned, that the real occult 
ontological truth is hidden "in and around the words and between the lines" and only 
through our own intuition and self devised study and practice, could we ever 
truly understand it in its entirely. Thus we each have to find that truth for 
ourselves, and cannot be stuck in the dead letter writings of either HPB or CWL. 

The problem here is that Amand is as much a "dead letter" Leadbeater 
fundamentalist as those who read the Secret Doctrine in its dead letter are Blavatsky 
fundamentalists. 

The true occultists/theosophists are neither. And take what they know to be 
the truth from their own inner intutive understanding -- based on a 
comprehenive study of all the writings and interpretations, so as to compare them, cull 
out the inconsistencies and arrive at the "golden mean" of absolute truth 
through their own direct inner visionary experience -- without any biases or 
prejudices that come from the conditioning of their lower natures. 

Nuff said.

Leon Maurer 


In a message dated 05/04/05 4:59:50 AM, AnandGholap@AnandGholap.org writes:

>> 
> The historical fact, mentioned in her "Autobiography", is that it

> The fact that both Besant and Leadbeater wrote many books and tried to

> popularize the original teachings, given out to the world by HPB, can

> never obscure the fact that it was her - HPB - who was the

> Light-Bringer,


This is greatest delusion. Besant and Leadbeater were themselves

occultists who wrote what they saw and experienced. They did not 

derive their writing from Blavatsky's writing.



Both AB and CWL, among many others, have always

> maintained that "The Secret Doctrine" is the fountain-source of Modern

> Theosophy.


They showed gratitude and humility because she was technically founder.

But other senior disciples like Subba Rao dumped SD's draft prepared 

by Blavatsky.


> You have been ungrateful to a great teacher. You may remember the

> statement by one of the Masters: "Ingratitude is not one of our vices."


It is not a question of gratefulness or ungratefulness. I am simply

putting facts before you. Facts should not be concealed under the 

cover of gratefulness.


Anand Gholap