Theos-Talk Archives (May 2005 Message tt00198)

Hi All,
Sorry not replying individually but hopefully I can cover the some 
general points in one post.
Thanks Nigel for your comments and as you are aware these are issues 
that will need to be discussed and thought about long and hard as by 
students and we hope at some time some kind of progress will be able 
to be made.

The historical baggage that comes with any person and organization 
is largely hidden until we scratch deeper. 
The issues and points of view that have been put forward on this 
forum have been quite upfront. 
Some may not find this type of approach un-theosophical, I however 
find it to be in keeping with the type of criticism that is needed 
in order to stop any teacher or teaching from becoming either an 
infallible Seer or holy writ that then becomes dogma.

This seems to be somewhat of a luxury in organizations as it is felt 
they have to play things very diplomatically and try not to upset 
their members too much.

As MKR pointed out the internet has now become a vehicle to 
distribute and share this information and I agree with him that this 
will make a large impact onto the actual organizations themselves.
Internet groups like this one offer a forum to debate and discuss 
these inter-organizational and historical points freely.
I tend to think this will be a process that will need to be walked 
gently through within the society rather than using a sledgehammer 
which tends to leave people feeling defensive and antagonistic. 
(rightly or wrongly)

I can't claim to know the solution to these problems however it 
maybe we can sometimes throw the baby out with the bathwater. 
The Adyar TS may not be perfect but for me I am glad such an 
organization still exists and as it does I feel offer something 
unique and rare in the world even with its seeming unwritten 
policies on not allowing criticism of C.W Leadbeater's teachings in 
its official publications.

The apparent reason for this is that so many members are supporters 
and promoters of Leadbeater and it is perceived as encroaching on 
their right to support and promote him.
I have never suggested this should be the case, I have simply asked 
that the right to make a critical comparison of his teachings with 
those of the Mahatma's and Blavatsky's be supported.
At this stage as far as I've been able to ascertain this type of 
article would not be allowed to be published in its official 
publications.

The other side is that the Adyar TS has branches all over the world 
and most members support and promote non dogmatism freedom of 
thought.

It offers libraries and bookshops of esoteric material. 
It also offers opportunities for enquirers to get together and 
discuss life's mysteries and most importantly it promotes the idea 
of Brotherhood.

This process of change I think needs to work from the ground up 
rather than the other way around however a bit of support from up 
above would be nice.

I'd like to encourage any Adyar members on this group to put forward 
their feelings and ideas on how these issues may be worked through 
or do you feel it is a non issue?


Regards
Perry

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "nhcareyta" <nhcareyta@y...> 
wrote:
> Dear Perry
> Your summation of three Theosophical organisations is a 
conciliatory 
> position given your many postings on your difficulties with 
ongoing 
> censorship within the Adyar Society.
> You write:
> >Adyar seems to have chosen to go more down the path of simply
> >focusing on the 3 objects generally.
> and
> >Even if there is quite a lot of dis-function in some areas they 
all
> >foster to a greater or lesser extent a spirit of inquiry...
> 
> Whilst as you suggest this is generally true, with the second 
object 
> of the Adyar Society being "To encourage the study of comparative 
> religion, philosophy and science" there is still a great struggle 
for 
> me to reconcile this admirable and essential statement of 
principle 
> with its actual practice by that organisation's hierarchy which 
you 
> have encountered and described. 
> Study by comparison includes sharing of perceptions and opinions 
> without fear or favour, both verbally and in print. As you have 
shown 
> us, the Adyar Society hierarchy seems only to permit this in print 
in 
> a highly selective manner. This "philosophical" selectivity, as 
> opposed to that needed to ensure decency and decorum, does not 
> support that organisation's "Freedom of Thought" statement nor, it 
> seems, their motto "There Is No Religion Higher Than Truth." 
Whilst 
> their statement and motto may be viewed as ideals only, it is 
> disappointing the hierarchy have not appeared to follow Madame 
> Blavatsky's lead when she wrote and practiced "...Contrast alone 
can 
> enable us to appreciate things at their right value; and unless a 
> judge compares notes and hears both sides he can hardly come to a 
> correct decision." H.P. Blavatsky. The Theosophist, July, 1881, p. 
2
> 
> It is to be hoped that the Society's current and in my opinion, 
> hypocritical position will be courageously addressed in the near 
> future thereby potentially attracting and retaining an even 
greater 
> number of sincere and honourable seekers such as yourself.
> Very best wishes
> Nigel