Theos-Talk Archives (May 2005 Message tt00192)

Daniel,

Thanks for clearing up the exoteric history of ULT. (I was hoping someone 
would do that. :-) BTW, my reference to its "founding by Adepts" was not meant 
to point to any person... But, was an esoteric pointing to Adepts, such as 
HPB, WQJ and their Masters (among others remaining namelesss) who influenced 
those persons that actually founded ULT along with Crosbie. Actually, likemy 
Adept teachers (some of whom were dead before I was born ;) there's more tomy 
"dead letter" writing than may appear in its literal interpretation. :-)  

As any studied theosophist or occultist knows, exoteric histories can never 
report what goes on in the higher planes of intuitive thought that motivates 
any actions on the physical plane. Nor can it be sure that any written reports 
or documents from others it relies on is entirely true from a dead letter point 
of view (or otherwise :-).  

I'll leave that as food for further thought by all the "literalists" in this 
forum. :-)  

Best wishes,  

Leon 

In a message dated 05/05/05 12:57:38 PM, danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com writes:

>On Apr 12, 2005, Leon wrote about:
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>"...the Adepts who founded ULT...."
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>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/24241
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>And on April 18, Leon also commented:
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>"Therefore, if any current theosophical group 
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>could be the considered the heirs of the original 
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>TS, it would be those who followed in the footsteps 
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>of WQJ (one of the original founders), stayed far
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>distant from any religious beliefs, practices or 
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>politics, and who still base their studies on the 
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>SD and other original writings of both HPB and WQJ 
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>-- such as ULT and its independent lodges,
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>study groups, and associates... Some of whom 
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>(and I speak from both direct and indirect 
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>personal knowledge) have been in contact with 
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>certain occult 'Masters' who admonish them to 
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>never repeat the failed experiment of forming
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>organized society's, or churches to represent 
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>"theosophy" -- lest it becomes just another 
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>dogmatic religion that ultimately must 
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>politically go to bed with the black magic 
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>practicing enemies of the true theosophical teachings."
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>I call special attention to these two excerpts:
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>"...the Adepts who founded ULT...."
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>"Some [ULT associattes??] of whom (and I speak 
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>from both direct and indirect personal knowledge) 
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>have been in contact with certain occult 'Masters'..."
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>There is no mention in the two histories of the
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>Theosophical Movement published by the Theosophy
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>Company that the ULT was found by "Adepts".
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>In one publication issued by the Theosophy Company, one
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>finds the following:
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>There is also the association of Theosophical students known as the 
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>United Lodge of Theosophists, formed in 1909 in Los Angeles, 
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>California, under the inspiration and guidance of Robert Crosbie. 
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>Mr. Crosbie was a Boston Theosophist during the time of William Q. 
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>Judge. He worked very closely with Judge, enjoying his 
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>confidence....He secured work in Los Angeles and gradually began to 
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>gather around him a few students—most of them entirely new to 
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>Theosophy—to undertake once more the task of promulgating
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>Theosophy in the same form as originally presented by the Founders 
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>of the Movement. When, in 1909, he had been joined by a small 
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>nucleus of persons who shared this ideal, The United Lodge of 
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>Theosophists was formed to carry out the purposes in view....
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>U.L.T. has no "leaders," in the sense that any personal authority 
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>attaches to leadership, and no "teachers" save the literature of the 
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>Movement and the principles of the philosophy itself. As in all 
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>human endeavors, the influence of individuals is felt in the work of 
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>the United Lodge of Theosophists, but this occurs in the natural 
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>course of the working together of a number of people, more or less 
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>experienced, more or less devoted and schooled in the philosophy, 
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>toward a common end. It was the distinctive contribution of Robert 
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>Crosbie, in setting going the work of the United Lodge of 
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>Theosophists—and he lived until 1919, ten years after the
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>formation of the Parent Lodge in Los Angeles—that the emphasis
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>should
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>always be upon ideas, principles and objectives, and never upon 
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>claims or living personalities, though recognition of H. P. 
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>Blavatsky and Wm. Q. Judge, through their teachings, was basic to 
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>understanding.... 
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>While the students who were associated with Mr. Crosbie from the 
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>beginning made outstanding contributions to the Movement, they never 
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>sought personal recognition, and those coming later also follow the 
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>example of Mr. Crosbie in directing attention only to the original 
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>teachings and teachers and Theosophical principles....    
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>As Mr. Crosbie never made any claims in his own behalf, there is no 
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>need to defend his "status" in the Movement. What "status" belongs 
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>to him is that which might be naturally accorded the man who 
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>resuscitated the teachings, the methods and program of work of the 
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>Founders of the original Society, and who was able to inspire others 
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>to go and do likewise....
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>http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/theosophica%20lmovement.htm
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>pp. 316-318.
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>In the above history there is NO mention of the ULT being
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>founded by Adepts.  
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>Is Leon claiming that Robert Crosbie was one of these "adepts"?
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>And who were the other "adepts"?
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>Moving on.
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>And when Leon writes about some ULT associates being
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>"in contact with certain occult 'Masters'...", is he 
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>referring to present day associates or is he referring
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>to the "early days" of the ULT??
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>If Leon will enlighten us on these matters, we may have
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>to have the following list of claimants updated to include
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>Leon's "adepts" and "latter-day messengers" at:
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>http://blavatskyarchives.com/latermessengers.htm#six
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>Daniel H. Caldwell
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>Blavatsky Study Center
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>http://hpb.cc
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