Theos-Talk Archives (May 2005 Message tt00168)

On Apr 12, 2005, Leon wrote about:

"...the Adepts who founded ULT...."

Quoted from:  
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/24241

And on April 18, Leon also commented:

"Therefore, if any current theosophical group 
could be the considered the heirs of the original 
TS, it would be those who followed in the footsteps 
of WQJ (one of the original founders), stayed far
distant from any religious beliefs, practices or 
politics, and who still base their studies on the 
SD and other original writings of both HPB and WQJ 
-- such as ULT and its independent lodges,
study groups, and associates... Some of whom 
(and I speak from both direct and indirect 
personal knowledge) have been in contact with 
certain occult 'Masters' who admonish them to 
never repeat the failed experiment of forming
organized society's, or churches to represent 
"theosophy" -- lest it becomes just another 
dogmatic religion that ultimately must 
politically go to bed with the black magic 
practicing enemies of the true theosophical teachings."

I call special attention to these two excerpts:

"...the Adepts who founded ULT...."

"Some [ULT associattes??] of whom (and I speak 
from both direct and indirect personal knowledge) 
have been in contact with certain occult 'Masters'..."

There is no mention in the two histories of the
Theosophical Movement published by the Theosophy
Company that the ULT was found by "Adepts".

In one publication issued by the Theosophy Company, one
finds the following:

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There is also the association of Theosophical students known as the 
United Lodge of Theosophists, formed in 1909 in Los Angeles, 
California, under the inspiration and guidance of Robert Crosbie. 
Mr. Crosbie was a Boston Theosophist during the time of William Q. 
Judge. He worked very closely with Judge, enjoying his 
confidence....He secured work in Los Angeles and gradually began to 
gather around him a few students—most of them entirely new to 
Theosophy—to undertake once more the task of promulgating
Theosophy in the same form as originally presented by the Founders 
of the Movement. When, in 1909, he had been joined by a small 
nucleus of persons who shared this ideal, The United Lodge of 
Theosophists was formed to carry out the purposes in view....

U.L.T. has no "leaders," in the sense that any personal authority 
attaches to leadership, and no "teachers" save the literature of the 
Movement and the principles of the philosophy itself. As in all 
human endeavors, the influence of individuals is felt in the work of 
the United Lodge of Theosophists, but this occurs in the natural 
course of the working together of a number of people, more or less 
experienced, more or less devoted and schooled in the philosophy, 
toward a common end. It was the distinctive contribution of Robert 
Crosbie, in setting going the work of the United Lodge of 
Theosophists—and he lived until 1919, ten years after the
formation of the Parent Lodge in Los Angeles—that the emphasis
should
always be upon ideas, principles and objectives, and never upon 
claims or living personalities, though recognition of H. P. 
Blavatsky and Wm. Q. Judge, through their teachings, was basic to 
understanding.... 
   
While the students who were associated with Mr. Crosbie from the 
beginning made outstanding contributions to the Movement, they never 
sought personal recognition, and those coming later also follow the 
example of Mr. Crosbie in directing attention only to the original 
teachings and teachers and Theosophical principles....    

As Mr. Crosbie never made any claims in his own behalf, there is no 
need to defend his "status" in the Movement. What "status" belongs 
to him is that which might be naturally accorded the man who 
resuscitated the teachings, the methods and program of work of the 
Founders of the original Society, and who was able to inspire others 
to go and do likewise....
====================================================== 
Quoted from:
http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/theosophica%20lmovement.htm
pp. 316-318.

In the above history there is NO mention of the ULT being
founded by Adepts.  

Is Leon claiming that Robert Crosbie was one of these "adepts"?

And who were the other "adepts"?

Moving on.

And when Leon writes about some ULT associates being
"in contact with certain occult 'Masters'...", is he 
referring to present day associates or is he referring
to the "early days" of the ULT??

If Leon will enlighten us on these matters, we may have
to have the following list of claimants updated to include
Leon's "adepts" and "latter-day messengers" at:

http://blavatskyarchives.com/latermessengers.htm#six

Daniel H. Caldwell
Blavatsky Study Center
http://hpb.cc