Re:Annie Besant was just one of us
May 03, 2005 01:30 PM
by M. Sufilight
Aaah...
So that was what you did.
But your own (untimely) theosophy is also old is it not? Is it 70-100 years
or so?
Could we call it outdated and lacking Middle Eastern content
and without a proper relation to the present day "sex-industri" ?
And I was referring to the Chicken and the egg in the previous email as
well -
and other issues. But those issues are of course of no importance to you -
even if they truely are.
Here are some of the words again.
Wise theosophical Teaching has to be performed according to time place,
people and circumstances.
If a teacher who has passed away was a non-vegtarian and a smoker,
there could be a social reason for that activity when she or he lived.
If a teacher about a hundred years ago was a vegetarian and a non-smoker,
who all in all promoted
an emotional almost non-AtmaVidya-like doctrine, there could be reasons for
that as well.
What teaching, which would be proper to promote today might be something
quite different - it depends upon the audience - and yes - time, even
timesequences, place, people and
circumstances - and so on.
And when we just keep retelling the same story from a victorian past - by
quoting dead authors -
the Seekers know, that they get a second best, - and that this is not
as real as a first hand account.
The fruits yielded are because of that somewhat small in size.
We will have to face these facts.
- - -
Have you ever tried to compare Annie Besant and Leadbeaters literary outlets
with other writers?
For instance those, on Brainwashing and the like?
from
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anand Gholap" <AnandGholap@AnandGholap.org>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:12 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re:Annie Besant was real founder of the TS
Theosophy is very old. I was writing about modern Theosophical
Society.
Anand Gholap
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-
theosophy@s...> wrote:
Yeah..
Perhaps we all need to widen our historical horizon a tiny bit.
I just read this one...
http://theosophy.org/tlodocs/hpb/NotesOnSomeAryan-
ArhatEsotericTenets.htm
"
II.
The Vedas, Brâhmanism, and along with these Sanskrit, were
importations
into what we now regard as India. They were never indigenous to its
soil.
There was a time when the ancient nations of the West included
under the
generic name of India many of the countries of Asia now classified
under
other names. There was an Upper, a Lower, and a Western India, even
during
the comparatively late period of Alexander; and Persia, Iran, is
called
Western India in some ancient classics, and the countries now named
Tibet,
Mongolia, and Great Tartary were considered as forming part of
India. When
we say, therefore, that India has civilized the world and was the
Alma Mater
of the civilizations, arts and sciences of all other nations
(Babylonia, and
perhaps even Egypt, included), we mean archaic, prehistoric India,
India of
the time when the great Gobi was a sea, and the lost Atlantis
formed part of
an unbroken continent which began at the Himâlayas and ran down
over
Southern India, Ceylon, Java, to far-away Tasmania.
III.
To ascertain such disputed questions [as to whether or not the
Tibetan
adepts are acquainted with the "esoteric doctrine taught by the
residents of
the sacred Island"], we have to look into and study well the
Chinese sacred
and historical records a people whose era begins nearly 4,600 years
back
(2697 B.C.). A people so accurate by whom some of the most
important
'-inventions" of modern Europe and its so much boasted modern
science (such
as the compass, gunpowder, porcelain, paper, printing, etc.), were
anticipated, known, and practised thousands of years before these
were
rediscovered by the Europeans ought to receive some trust for their
records.
From Lao-tze down to Hiouen-Thsang their literature is filled
with
allusions and references to that Island and the wisdom of the
Himâlayan
adepts. In the Catena of Buddhist Scriptures from the Chinese, by
the Rev.
Samuel Beal, there is a chapter "On the Tian-Ta'i School of
Buddhism " (pp.
244-258), which our opponents ought to read. Translating the rules
of that
most celebrated and holy school and sect in China founded by Chin-
che-chay,
called the wise one, in the year 575 of our era, on coming to the
sentence,
"That which relates to the one garment (seamless) worn by the Great
Teachers
of the Snowy Mountains, the school of the Haimavatas" (p. 256), the
European
translator places after it a sign of interrogation, as well he may.
The
statistics of the school of the Haimavatas or of our Himâlayan
Brotherhood,
are not to be found in the General Census Records of India.
Further, Mr.
Beal translates a rule relating to "the great professors of the
higher order
who live in mountain depths remote from men," the Âranyakas, or
hermits.
So, with respect to the traditions concerning this Island, and
apart
from the (to them) historical records of it preserved in the
Chinese and
Tibetan Sacred Books, the legend is alive to this day among the
people of
Tibet. The fair Island is no more, but the country where it once
bloomed
remains there still, and the spot is well known to some of
the "great
teachers of the snowy mountains," however much convulsed and
changed its
topography may have been by the awful cataclysm. Every seventh year
these
teachers are believed to assemble in Scham-bha-la, the "happy
land."
According to the general belief it is situated in the north-west of
Tibet.
Some place it within the unexplored central regions, inaccessible
even to
the fearless nomadic tribes; others hem it in between the range of
the
Gangdisri Mountains and the northern edge of the Gobi Desert, south
and
north, and the more populated regions of Khoondooz and Kashmir, of
the
Gya-Pheling (British India) and China, west and east, which affords
to the
curious mind a pretty large latitude to locate it in. Others still
place it
between Namur Nur and the Kuen-Lun Mountains but one and all firmly
believe
in Scham-bha-la, and speak of it as a fertile, fairy-like land,
once an
island, now an oasis of incomparable beauty, the place of meeting
of the
inheritors of the esoteric wisdom of the god-like inhabitants of
the
legendary Island."
These continous exchanges in the below and elsewhere of who was
first - "The
chicken or the egg?" -
reminds me of the Seekers who are mistaking the content for being
the
container.
And who like a good dispute more than they do good wisdom.
<:-)
(Me and my egg-head. Smile.)
Wise theosophical Teaching has to be performed according to time
place,
people and circumstances.
If a teacher who has passed away was a non-vegtarian and a smoker,
there could be a social reason for that.
If a teacher was a vegetarian and a non-smoker, who all in all
promoted
an emotional almost non-AtmaVidya-like doctrine, there could be
reasons for
that as well.
What teaching, which would be proper to promote today might be
something
quite different - it depends upon
the audience - and yes - time, even timesequences, place, people
and
circumstances - and so on.
And when we just keep retelling the same story - by quoting dead
authors -
the Seekers know, that they get a second best, - and that this is
not
as real as a first hand account.
The fruits yielded are because of that somewhat small in size.
We will have to face these facts.
from
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anand Gholap" <AnandGholap@A...>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 1:36 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re:Annie Besant was real founder of the TS
> Olcott and Blavatsky were technically founders of the TS. However
when
> they were in-charge there was not much acceptance of Theosophy
nor was
> it internationally recognized organization. Blavatsky was told
not to
> look into administration. She wrote some 3-4 books. Compare it
with
> Annie Besant's work. Besant wrote some 300 books, she was
incharge of
> ES and administration of the Theosophical Society. Under her
> leadership
> Theosophical Society became truly international organization with
> recognition in many countries. Vast high quality literature was
> written
> when she was leader which was appreciated around the world.
Blavatsky
> became famous not because of her writing but because Annie Besant
made
> TS internationally reputed organization and Blavatsky was
technically
> founder of it. So little fame which Blavatsky has is to much
extent
> due
> to work of Annie Besant.
> So although Annie Besant did not sign papers when TS was
incorporated,
> practically Annie Besant was founder of the Theosophical Society.
> Anand Gholap
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