Theos-Talk Archives (May 2005 Message tt00082)

In a message dated 04/27/05 8:53:18 PM, nikidurand@yahoo.com writes:

>Dang, Leon, why all the words?!

Because other people interested in theosophy read these letters and some like 
to know what's true or not, or what other and possibly wiser people think is 
real or not. Besides, if I put all your letters together that I was 
responding to, your words would add up to twice mine. :-)

>When all you really wanted to say that you don't care
>about my contact with Dionne...

Right, I couldn't care less. But what I really wanted to say (and did) was 
that your so called contacts with your dead lover are nothing more than 
fantasies in your own lower mind, coming out of your own emotional self pity and 
dependent nature, and that, since such personal conflict resolutions are of no 
value to any others from a theosophical point of view -- you should keep your 
private necromancy to yourself. (Unless you find another group dedicated to such 
personal erotica, or maybe turn it all into an interesting novel -- which you 
seem to have the writing talent for. :-)

>Fine, she and I will continue to have a good time...

Which, of course, is your privilege -- since no one has the right to complain 
about someone else's mental masturbation's or other fantasies if it makes 
them happy. :-) My youngest Daughter (by my second of three wives) who's 52, 
still talks to her invisible friend she played with when she was seven, but she 
knows she made her up and that she is really talking to herself. :-) 

>Now go back to your books and speculations...

Thanks for your kind if not sarcastic permission. ;^) But I have no need of 
books nor do I speculate on anything much anymore.

Since this is ostensibly a theosophical discussion group -- all I can do is 
question other's views and give out what I know to be true, based on my own 
study and experience coupled with the confirmation from the Master within (the 
higher spiritual self) -- who I can hear as clearly as you think you can see and 
touch your dead lover. 

The only difference being that you have projected your former and now 
replaced lover into the Astral, painted her with all the fantasies of character and 
wisdom that salve your own suppressed guilt's and other problems with your 
seemingly promiscuous sexual relationships, and that you can only experience those 
fantasies by reflection... While I have no need of that second hand massaging 
of my lower ego, since the higher self is our own real nature that depends on 
nothing for its peace and equanimity outside of itself. 

As for my lower nature, all I can do is let it follow its own natural 
functions and needs (not wants or desires) that lead to full enjoyment of a healthy 
and, hopefully useful and productive life among family, friends and associates 
(and sometimes lovers) that come and go -- without fantasies or regrets -- 
until I shuffle off to the next episode in this game of life I'm forced by my 
past karma (and my own present choice) to play. :-) 

>I'll stick to my experience...

You do that... And, I hope it leads to the good karma you deserve, and the 
lessons it might teach you. 

In the meantime I'll stick to mine, stay around, and continue to bug anyone 
whom I think needs their assertive, supposedly theosophical knowledge (if based 
on self generated smoke and mirrored imaginations conjured up in their lower 
mind) straightened out a bit... Or, at least, poked into with the hope that 
they might wake themselves up and begin to see and understand the true 
theosophical transcendental or metaphysical reality (which includes its physical, 
astral, mental and spiritual aspects) as it really is. :-) 

As a final observation, if an experience is really spiritual, one could never 
talk about it.

Best wishes, 

Leon

>Niki
>
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>--- leonmaurer@aol.com wrote:
>
>> 
>> To Niki and others on this thread.
>> 
>> Whether or not I am interested in what Dionne taught
>> you is irrelevant. 
>> Also, what you implied by "scripture" has nothing to
>> do with what's true or not.
>> 
>> I was referring to reading responses to previous
>> correspondence that does not 
>> quote what the writer is referring to, answering
>> letters out of context, 
>> changing subject lines in midstream, or just plain
>> nonsense comments, unfounded 
>> assertions, or personal remarks directed to
>> particular individuals. Unless one 
>> quotes the entire dialogue in any thread, this is
>> not the way an open and 
>> unmoderated topical discussion forum should work. 
>> 
>> But since you asked -- I am not particularly
>> interested in anybody's personal 
>> experiences based on any sort of contact with the
>> dead (other than to refute 
>> it as being of no value at all in increasing anyones
>> knowledge of theosophy) 
>> ... Since, my own knowledge and experience of
>> occultism and mental or psychic 
>> phenomena coupled with metaphysics and science goes
>> deep enough to know that 
>> much of such stuff referring to visions of the
>> afterlife and seeing and talking 
>> to the dead, are self delusional, strictly personal
>> wishful thinking, or 
>> chemically induced hallucinations (either through
>> brain or gland dysfunction's or 
>> ingestion of certain drugs) -- that doesn't help
>> anyone else in understanding 
>> the true nature of reality or attaining their own
>> self realization or 
>> enlightenment -- which depends solely on their own
>> particular karma, and has nothing to 
>> do with anyone else's karma or their imaginations or
>> fantasies... That should 
>> be kept strictly to themselves. 
>> 
>> But you can keep on writing all you want about it,
>> and if I find it 
>> theosophically interesting, I'll read some more. If
>> not, I will ignore it. 
>> 
>> (The above was written more than a week ago.) 
>> 
>> Now that I've read some more about your imaginary
>> experiences and what was 
>> taught to you (which may or may not be true,
>> wherever it came from) I can put it 
>> in the same category of other spiritualists'
>> delusions (as HPB did) -- that, 
>> along with private chats and meaningless one line
>> comments, has cluttered my 
>> mailbox with almost 1000 letters having little of
>> value in most of them (as I 
>> presume from all the random reading of the past
>> month)... And proceed to ignore 
>> your letters along with all the other babblers using
>> this theosophical 
>> discussion forum as a personal, ego washing chat
>> room. (Unless they are directed to, 
>> or sent by me. :-) 
>> 
>> While I may disagree with your ideas and lack
>> interest in your personal chats 
>> with or about either living or dead lovers or your
>> personal sexual 
>> preferences or other physical needs, desires, or
>> whatever -- no personal disparagement 
>> is intended. :-)
>> 
>> (For you and others reading this) 
>> So, since I can never catch up with my e-mail, I
>> have decided to trash all 
>> mail received from this forum, without opening...
>> Except, possibly, letters from 
>> a few theosophists that I am interested in, those
>> with specific questions 
>> directed to me in the subject line, or thread lines
>> I have started or replied to. 
>> 
>> 
>> From now on, if anyone want's to talk with me about
>> theosophical metaphysics, 
>> yoga, science, philosophy, or any other topic of
>> common interest, please 
>> write me directly. (I'll decide whether or not such
>> correspondences are worth 
>> public posting.) However, if you want me to read
>> your letter to this forum, please 
>> put my name on the subject line.
>> 
>> In the meantime -- since I am moving over to other
>> monitored forums where I 
>> can reasonably discuss theosophy and scientific
>> metaphysics in some depth -- 
>> you may hear from me occasionally if I start a
>> thread here or someone asks me a 
>> question. </:-)>
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Leon Maurer