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May 2 2005

Thanks That's what I had in mind also

Dallas
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See this for future reference and help in adjusting any terms

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SEVEN-FOLD UNIVERSE---SEVEN-FOLD MAN

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Septenary Universe



"...the teaching about the Septenary constitution of the sidereal bodies and
of the macrocosm--from which the septenary division of the microcosm, or
Man--has until now been among the most esoteric. In olden times if used to
be divulged only at the Initiation and along with the most sacred figures of
the cycles...the key to their teaching is furnished by Atma-Vidya...for
outside of metaphysics no occult philosophy, no esotericism is possible."
SD I 168-9



"...the number seven, as well as the doctrine of the septenary constitution
of man, was pre-eminent in all the secret systems. It plays as important a
part in Western Kabala as in Eastern Occultism."	SD I 241  



"The universe evolves from the unknown, into which no man or mind, however
high, can inquire, on seven planes or in seven ways or methods in all
worlds, and this seven-fold differentiation causes all the worlds of the
universe and the beings thereon to have a septenary constitution...the
little worlds and the great are copies of the whole, and the minutest insect
as well as the most highly developed being are replicas in little or in
great of the vast inclusive original.


The divisions of the sevenfold universe may be laid down roughly as:

The Absolute, [or Space--that which ever is and in which all manifestation
must take place...we can do no more than say It Is. None of the great
teachers of the School ascribe qualities to the Absolute although all
qualities exist in It.]

Spirit, Mind, Matter, Will, Akasa or AEther, [ Akasa is used in
place of AEther because English...has no word to properly designate that
tenuous state of matter], and Life.

Our knowledge begins with differentiation, and all manifested objects,
beings, or powers are only differentiations of the Great Unknown. The most
that can be said is that the Absolute periodically differentiates itself,
and periodically withdraws the differentiation into itself.


The first differentiation--speaking metaphorically as to time--is Spirit,
with which appears Matter and Mind. 

Akasa is produced from Matter and Spirit.  

Will is the force of spirit in action and Life is a resultant of the action
of Akasa moved by spirit, upon Matter. But the Matter here spoken of is not
that which is vulgarly known as such. It is the real Matter which is always
invisible, and has sometimes been called Primordial Matter...Mulaprakriti
...we see or perceive only the phenomena but not the essential nature, body
or being of matter.

Mind is the intelligent part of the Cosmos, and in the collection of seven
differentiations above roughly sketched.


This plan was brought over from a prior period of manifestation which added
to its ever increasing perfectness, and no limit can be set to its
evolutionary possibilities in perfectness. Because there was never any
beginning to the periodical manifestations of the Absolute, there will never
be any end, but forever the going forth and withdrawing into the Unknown
will go on." Ocean, pp. 14-15



"Enquirer. But who is it that creates each time the Universe?

Theosophist.	No one creates it. Science would call the process
evolution...we, Occultists and Theosophists, see in it the only universal
and eternal reality casting a periodical reflection of itself on the
infinite Spatial depths. This reflection which you regard as the objective
material universe, we consider as a temporary illusion and nothing else.
That alone which is eternal is real...the universe passes out of its
homogeneous subjectivity on to the first pane of manifestation, of which
planes there are seven, we are taught. With each plane it becomes more
dense and material until it reaches this, our plane...our Solar system (like
every other such system in the millions of others in Cosmos) and even our
Earth, has its own programme of manifestations differing from the respective
programmes of all others."	
Key to Theosophy pp. 84-5



"Enquirer.	I understand you describe our earth as forming a part of a
chain or earths?


Theosophist.	We do. But the other six "earths" or "globes," are not on
the same plane of objectivity as our earth is; therefore we cannot see
them...It is only that their material density, weight, or fabric are
entirely different from those of our earth and the other known planets; but
they are (to us) on an entirely different layer of space, so to speak; a
layer not to be perceived or felt by our physical senses...by "layer" is
that plane of infinite space which by its nature cannot fall under our
ordinary waking perceptions, whether mental or physical; but which exists
in nature outside of our normal mentality or consciousness, outside of our
three dimensional space, and outside of our division of time. Each of the
seven fundamental planes (or layers) in space...has its own objectivity and
subjectivity, its own space and time, its own consciousness and set of
senses. [ Like a different set of sense used in our "dream-life."]...

Our philosophy teaches us that, as there are seven fundamental forces in
nature, and seven planes of being, so there are seven states of
consciousness in which man can live, think, remember and have his being...in
waking and dreaming [we have good proof of the fact]."	Key to
Theosophy, pp. 88-90


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Table from Secret Doctrine Vol. II, p. 596  

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Correspondence of the 7 Cosmic and 7 Human "principles."


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Human aspects or	Cosmic aspects or
Principles	Principles
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TRIPLE ASPECT OF THE DEITY


1.	Universal Spirit (Atma)	The Unmanifested Logos

2.	Spiritual Soul (Buddhi)	Universal (latent) Ideation
(see Fnote p. 597)

3.	Human Soul, Mind (Manas)	Universal (or Cosmic) active
Intelligence



SPIRIT OF THE EARTH


4.	Animal Soul (Kama-Rupa)	Cosmic Chaotic energy

5.	Astral Body (Linga-Sarira)	Astral Ideation, reflecting 
terrestrial things.

6.	Life Essence (Prana)	Life Essence or Energy

7.	Body (Sthula Sarira)	The Earth.

[ from: SD II 596]

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SEVENFOLD MAN


"We find...two distinct beings in man; the spiritual and the physical, the
man who thinks, and the man who records as much of these thoughts as he is
able to assimilate.

Therefore we divide him into two distinct natures: the upper or the
spiritual being, composed of three "principles" or aspects; and the lower
or the physical quaternary, composed of four--in all seven."	Key,
p. 90


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Table From: Secret Doctrine I p. 157

Seven-fold Man and His Vehicles in States of Consciousness

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Classification in	Vedantic
Classification in
"Esoteric Buddhism"	Classification	Taraka Raja Yoga
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[ From: SD I p 157]

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References:

CLASSIFICATION OF PRINCIPLES - HPB Theosophist, April 1887

RECLASSIFICATION OF PRINCIPLES	Theosophist, August 1887
(HPB Articles Vol. II p 233-248)

ISIS U. & THE THEOSOPHIST ON REINCARNATION Th'st. Aug. 1882
(HPB Articles Vol. I p 491 see table on p. 494)

THEOSOPHICAL THEORIES OF THE MICROCOSM --W. Q. Judge
Theosophist, August 1887 (WQJ Art. Vol. II p. 346)

Tables in Secret Doctrine: Vol II pp 593, 596, 632-3. 


"...Atma-Bodha or "Knowledge of Soul,"[a treatise by
Shankaracharya]...speaks distinctly of seven principles in man (see verse
14). They are called therein the five sheaths (Panchakosha) in which is
enclosed the divine monad--the Atman and Buddhi, the seventh and sixth
principles, or the individual soul when made distinct...from the supreme
soul--Parabrahman. The first sheath, called Ananda-maya--the sheath of
"supreme bliss"--is the Manas of fifth principle of the Occultists, when
united with Buddhi; the second sheath is Vijnana-maya Kosha, the case or
envelope of "self-delusion," the Manas when self-deluded into the belief of
the personal "I" or Ego, with its vehicle. The third is Mano-maya sheath,
composed of illusionary "mind" associated with the organs of action and
will, is the Kama Rupa and the Linga Sharira combined, producing an illusive
"I" or Mayavi Rupa. The fourth sheath is called Prana-maya, illusionary
"life," our second life principle or Jiva, wherein resides life, the
"breathing" sheath. The fifth Kosha is called Anna-maya, or the sheath
supported by food--our gross material body. All these sheaths produce other
smaller sheaths, or six attributes or qualities each, the seventh being
always the root-sheath; and the Atman or spirit passing through all these
subtle ethereal bodies like a thread, is called the "thread-soul" or
Sutratman." - HPB	Five Years of Theosophy p. 126



"As the prime declaration of theosophy is that all these so-called bodies
and appearances are for the purpose of enabling the ONE--the Atma--to fully
comprehend nature and "bring about the aim of the soul," why not denominate
all that it uses for that purpose vehicles?...Or if greater clearness is
desired, let us say that there is one principle which acts through six
vehicles. The scheme will then stand thus:

Atma (spirit), one principle, indivisible

Its vehicles are

Buddhi	.	.	.	.	Spiritual Soul
Manas	.	.	.	.	Human Soul
Kama Rupa	.	.	.	Animal Soul
Linga Sarira	.	.	.	Astral Body
Prana or Jiva	.	.	.	Vitality
Rupa	.	.	.	.	The Physical Body 

WQJ Articles I 299




TABLE FROM: Key to Theosophy, pp 91-92
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Sanskrit	Exoteric	Explanatory
Terms	Meaning
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LOWER QUATERNARY

a) Rupa or Physical	Is the vehicle of all the other
Sthula-Sarira	body	"principles" during life.


b) Prana	Life or Necessary only to a) c) d), and 
Vital	the functions of the lower Manas,
principle	which embrace all those limited to
the (physical) brain.


c) Linga-	Astral body	The Double, the phantom body.
Sharira


d) Kama rupa	The seat of	This is the center of the animal
animal des-	man, where lies the line of 
ires and	demarcation which separates the
passions.	mortal man from the immortal
entity.

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THE UPPER IMPERISHABLE TRIAD


e) Manas --a	Mind. In-	The future state and the Karmic 
dual prin- telligence:	destiny of man depend on whether
ciple in which is the	Manas gravitates more downward to
function	higher human	Kama-rupa, the seat of animal 
mind, whose	passions, or upwards to Buddhi,

light, or rad-	the Spiritual Ego. In the latter
iation links	case, the higher consciousness of

the MONAD the individual spiritual aspir-

for the lifetime ations of mind (Manas), assimil-

to the mortal ating Buddhi, are absorbed by it

man.	and form the Ego, which goes into
Devachanic bliss.

f) Buddhi	The The vehicle of pure universal
Spiritual	Spirit.
Soul

g) Atma	Spirit	One with the Absolute as its 
radiation.

[From: Key to Theosophy pp 91-2]

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SD I pp. 242-5 gives the following analysis of seven-fold man:


1.	The Upper Triad
1.	Atma - pure Spirit	- Neschamah
2.	Buddhi - Spiritual Soul	- Ruach
3.	Manas -	Mind, Plastic Mediator - Nephesch

2.	The Lower Quaternary
4.	Kama -	Passion & Animal Desire
5.	Prana -	Life - Mikael, Sun Principle
6.	Linga Sarira - Astral Body - Image of Man
7.	Sthula Sarira Physical Body - 

[Explanatory footnote: "Nephesh is the breath of (animal) life...Without
Manas, "the reasoning Soul," or mind, Atma-Buddhi are irrational on this
plane and cannot act. It is Buddhi which is the plastic mediator, not
Manas, "the intelligent medium between the upper Triad and the lower
Quaternary."...]  
SD I 241-2


"...SOUL (OR EGO)...IS ATMA-BUDDHI-MANAS...(collectively as the upper Triad)
lives on three planes, besides its
fourth, the terrestrial sphere; and it exists eternally on the highest of
the three...

MANAS is immortal, because after every new incarnation it adds to
Atma-Buddhi something of itself, and thus assimilating itself to the Monad,
shares its immortality...

BUDDHI becomes conscious by the accretions it gets from Manas after every
new incarnation...Buddhi is the mould of Atma, because Atma is no body, or
shape, or anything, and because Buddhi is its vehicle only 
figuratively...

ATMA neither progresses, forgets, nor remembers. It does not belong to this
plane; it is but the ray of light
eternal which shines upon and through the darkness of matter--when the
latter is willing...


The astral through Kama (desire) is ever drawing Manas down into the sphere
of material passions and desires. But if the better man or Manas tries to
escape the fatal attraction and turns its aspirations to Atma--Spirit--then
Buddhi (Ruach) conquers, and carries Manas with it to the realm of eternal
spirit...

The [physical] body follows the whims, good or bad, of Manas; Manas tries
to follow the light of Buddhi, but often fails.  

The Monad becomes a personal ego when it incarnates; and something remains
of that personality through Manas, when the latter is perfect enough to
assimilate Buddhi.
[Extracts from SD I 243-245 ]



"[There is a dual set of "principles": the spiritual, or those which belong
to the imperishable Ego; and the material, or those principles which make
up the ever-changing bodies or the series of personalities of that Ego.


Let us fix permanent names to those, and say that:--


1.	ATMA, the "Higher Self," is neither your Spirit nor mine, but like
sunlight shines on all. It is the universally diffused "divine principle,"
and is inseparable from its one and absolute Meta-Spirit, as the sunbeam is
inseparable from sunlight.

2.	BUDDHI (the spiritual soul) is only its vehicle. Neither each
separately, nor the two collectively, are of any more use to the body of
man, than sunlight and its beams are for a mass of granite buried in the
earth, unless the divine Duad is assimilated by, and reflected in, some
consciousness. Neither Atma nor Buddhi are ever reached by Karma, because
the former is the highest aspect of Karma, its universal working agent of
ITSELF in one aspect, and the other is unconscious on this plane. This
consciousness or mind is

3.	MANAS,(*) the derivation or product in a reflected form of Ahamkara,
"the conception of "I," or Ego-ship, and Taijasi (the radiant). This is the
real Individuality or the divine man. It is this Ego which--having
originally incarnated in the senseless human form animated by, but
unconscious (since it had no consciousness) of, the presence in itself of
the dual monad--made of that human-like form a real man. It is that Ego,
that "Causal Body," which overshadows every personality Karma forces it to
incarnate into; and this Ego which is held responsible for all the sins
committed through, and in, every new body or personality--the evanescent
masks which hide the true Individual through the long series of rebirths.

(*)	Mahat or the "Universal Mind" is the source of Manas. The latter is
Mahat, i.e., mind, in man. Manas is also called Kshetrajna, "embodied
spirit," because it is...the Manasa-putra, or "Sons of the Universal Mind,"
who created, or rather produced, the thinking man, "manu" by incarnating in
the third Race mankind [Lemurian] in our Round.	It is Manasa, therefore,
which is the real incarnating and permanent Spiritual Ego, the
Individuality, and our various and numberless personalities only its
external masks."
Key to Theosophy, pp. 135-6



HPB :  

"To avoid henceforth...misapprehensions, I propose to 

TRANSLATE LITERALLY FROM THE OCCULT EASTERN TERMS 

their equivalents in English, and offer these for future
use.


The HIGHER SELF is Atma, the inseparable ray of the Universal and ONE SELF.
It is the God above, more than within, us. Happy is the man who succeeds in
saturating his inner Ego with it!


The SPIRITUAL divine Ego is the Spiritual soul or Buddhi, in close union
with Manas, the mind-principle,
without which it is no Ego at all, but only the Atmic Vehicle.


The INNER, OR HIGHER "EGO" is Manas, the "Fifth" Principle,...independently
of Buddhi. The Mind-Principle is only the Spiritual Ego when merged into
one with Buddhi,--no materialist being supposed to have in him such an Ego,
however great his intellectual capacities. It is the permanent
Individuality or the 
"Reincarnating Ego."


The LOWER OR PERSONAL "EGO" is the physical man in conjunction with his
lower Self, i.e., animal instincts,
passions, desires, etc. It is called the "false personality," and consists
of the lower Manas combined with Kama-rupa, and operating through the
Physical body and its phantom or "double."


The remaining "Principle" "PRANA," OR "LIFE, is strictly speaking, the
radiating force or energy of Atma-- as 
the Universal Life and the One Self,--Its lower or rather (in its effects)
more physical, because manifesting, aspect.  

Prana, Life permeates the whole being of the objective Universe; and is
called a "principle: only because it is an indispensable factor and the deus
ex machina of the living man."	
Key to Theosophy, pp. 175-6



DTB
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-----Original Message-----
From: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Cass Silva
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:54 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Theos-World THE DWELLER OF THE THRESHOLD

Hi Dallas
"Man needs four flames and three fires to become one on Earth, and he
requires the essence of the forty-nine fires to be perfect." SD II,57
 
Every round stands for one of the seven principles of man. This indicates
that there are seven principles within each one of his seven principles. In
their totality they represent the 49 Fires. P373 The Divine Plan
 
"It is simply this: every 'Round' brings about a new development and even an
entire change in the mental, psychic, spiritual and physical constitutions
of man, all these principles evoluting on an ever ascending scale." SD I,
162
 
As man is in the fourth round, the fourth principle, Kama, is developing.
"Since the Human Host of Monads is at present engaged in following the
Fourth Round, in the spiralling ascent, it will be appaent that the Fourth
Principle, Kama, is undergoings its pre-eminent development. Since humanity
is engaged in unfolding the fifth major developmental phase - this being
equivalent to what is termed the Fifth Root Race - the Manas-aspect of the
Kama principle is being stressed. During the Sixth Race, the Buddhi-aspect
of the Kama principle will be brought fourth into development. Then during
the Seventh Race the Atman-aspect of Kama will receive its pre-eminent
unfoldments."
 
Cosmic Kama: The Universal Sakti - the Will-Force, universal energy. P.181
The Divine Plan.
 
Hope this answers your question.

"W.Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net> wrote:
Apl 28 2005

Dear Friend: 

Help me to understand: 

Can you tell me where HPB says this? 

Quote: 

"The Will principle in the 4th round is what some of us are developing. It
is one of the 49 fires."

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I have SEEN in the SECRET DOCTRINE 

Will(s)

absolute, & law II 164 
aggregate of cosmic, & atoms I 632-3 
animals have II 671n 
atoms have memory, sensation & II 672 
Deity first manifests as I 343 
faith without, is barren II 59n 
Fohat & I 111 
human forms born of I 211 
incarnating host preferred free II 421 
Itchasakti [ichchhasakti] as, -power I 292-3; II 173 
it is the, of Deity that acts II 528 
procreation by I 192 
rebellious angels & free-WILL I 193-4 
result of, on our actions I 639 
Sons of, & Yoga II 163 

FORTY-NINE FIRES, Stages

Commentary on I 290-1 
every one of, a distinct function I 520-1 
explained I 520-1; II 57 &n, 564 
seven &, in India I 411; II 611 
seven &, worshiped II 362

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"Just as in old alchemical works the real meaning of the substances and
elements meant are concealed under the most ridiculous metaphors, so are the
physical, psychic, and spiritual natures of the Elements (say of fire)
concealed in the Vedas, and especially in the Puranas, under allegories
comprehensible only to the Initiates.

Had they no meaning, then indeed all those long legends and allegories about
the sacredness of the three types of fire, and the forty-nine original
fires- personified by the Sons of Daksha's daughters and the Rishis, their
husbands, "who with the first son of Brahma and his three descendants
constitute the forty-nine fires"-would be idiotic verbiage and no more. But
it is not so. 

Every fire has a distinct function and meaning in the worlds of the physical
and the spiritual. It has, moreover, in its essential nature a corresponding
relation to one of the human psychic faculties, besides its well determined
chemical and physical potencies when coming in contact with the
terrestrially differentiated matter. 

Science has no speculations to offer upon fire per se; Occultism and ancient
religious science have. This is shown even in the meagre and purposely
veiled phraseology of the Puranas, where (as in the Vayu Purana) many of the
qualities of the personified fires are explained. 

Thus, Pavaka is electric, or Vaidyuta, fire; Pavamana, the fire produced by
friction, (or Nirmathya): and Suchi is solar (or Saura) fire *- all these
three being the sons of Abhimanin, the Agni (fire), eldest son of Brahma and
of Swaha. Pavaka, moreover, is made parent to Kavyavahana, the fire of the
Pitris: Suchi to Havyavahana-the fire of the gods; and Pavamana, to
Saharaksha, the fire of the 

Asuras. Now all this shows that the writers of the Puranas were perfectly
conversant with the "Forces" of Science and their correlations; moreover,
with the various qualities of the latter in their bearing upon those psychic
and physical phenomena which receive no credit and are unknown to physical
science now. 
S D I 520-21

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Thanks,

Dal
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-----Original Message-----
From: Cass Silva
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 5:00 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: WILL 49 FIRES [ DWELLER ]


The Will principle in the 4th round is what some of us are developing. It
is one of the 49 fires.


thalprin wrote:






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