Theos-Talk Archives (May 2005 Message tt00002)

Apl 30 2005

RE: The significance of the conjunction of sun , Mercury, 
Mars, and Jupiter in the same zodiac sign
Dear C:

It always helps me (in time saving) if you can give me a page reference.

As I understand it the Ancients who were recorders of astronomical events
took note of the cycles of time involved and these were not only physical
events like deluges, earthquakes, the shifting of continents, the rise and
fall of races and civilizations, etc..., and but included psychical,
emotional and mental cycles.

See S D II pp. 68-70 for the enormous time-periods covered.

ECLIPSES AND "OCCULT" SIGNIFICANCE.

Any astronomical event has both local and world-wide effects.

The planets, zodiac, and movements of the Earth, Moon and Sun
together, in combination or apart and separately are all similar
to the workings of a very complex but finely adjusted clock.

According to HPB ( S D ) they reflect those times and cycles which
bring the return of Karmic effects. Those Karmic causes may have
been generated aeons ago. Some are known by us, most are not.
Sages know of them and looking in the "Astral Light" see there
the causes and effects of those cycles.

We guess. Our "astrology" is very speculative. We refer to
ancient texts, grimoires, kabalistic and Rosicrucian codexes,
etc... but the key to accurate understanding remains to be
proven.

Take Nostradamus' dark sayings -- usually they are verified after
the events, and the symbols and emblems that he used become clear
retrospectively.

As to the future? It is was said by a wise theosophical writer
that "the clear minded and the brave" will be able to meet any
karmic effects as they ought to be met: with equanimity and the
certainty that Karma can adjust all effects to their causes so
that all those involved may profit from them. Have we developed
such an all-inclusive vision yet ?

Suppose that we could see or be told the future ? Do you think
that any one of us might not then take advantage of such
knowledge to try to twist events to suit himself personally?
And, thus, interfering with the karmic event, vitiate it ? Only
those who are pure in spirit and in motive can deal with
pre-cognition by letting events take care of themselves as Karma
dictates.

Is this fatalism? No. Since each free-will individual makes
decisions based on his self-determination, knowledge and desires.

Are those desires pure ? There is the real question. Are we
still trying to secure some personal advantage ? If so, why ?
only we can answer that to ourselves. And what about others ?
Are they to be abandoned to their sad fate ? No warning ? No
attempt to secure for them and advantage that we would use for
ourselves ?  

Our whole "progress and advance" depends on our grasping the intricate and
intimate relation of all beings (Monads) - we have to learn to cherish and
love others and so protect them when necessary, if we can. Let's say that as
we are immortals, we have been in close relationships in the past and will
so be in the future.

Other references: 

In the S D we find on :

 
ASTRONOMERS

Asuramaya, antediluvian S D II 47-51

adept, knew of Mars, Venus races II 699 

Garga oldest, of India II 49n 

modern, on Great Pyramid II 432 

record cyclic events I 646 


ECLIPSES

of Moon & kali-yuga S D I 661-3, 665; II 435 693

solar, lunar, & allegories II 380 

of spiritual sun & catastrophes II 250n 

of Sun I 407; II 76 

[In ISIS UNVEILED see II 509]

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CYCLIC

eternal motion is, & spiral S D I 640; II 80 

evolution I 634-47 786fn ; II 34, 199, 300 

Jupiter as immutable, law II 786 

law II 74, 157, 252, 298, 780 

law defied by human will I 298n 

rebirth II 232 

Moon &, forms of disease I 180; II 622-3 &n 

precession of all life II 263 

precession of equinoxes I 439n 

progress of asterisms (Hindu) II 253 

septenary a, law of nature II 623n 723

 

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ZODIAC 

planisphere of, & Stonehenge S D II 344 

records over 75,000 years II 374n, 431-3 

ancient, discussed II 66, 431 

Aryan initiates built II 750 

Bailly re Hindu II 332, 435 

Chinese, divided into twenty-four parts II 620-1 

discussed I 647-8 

Egyptian & Hindu, immensely old I 650, 657-8 ; II 435-8

Egyptian, antiquity of II 332, 431-2, 435-6 

Greek, age of II 436 &n 

heirloom fr Atlantis II 431-3 

Indian, not fr Greeks I 650; II 50 

lords of, now rebellious angels I 577 

reddened w solar blaze II 357 

sidereal prophecies of I 653 

universality of I 648-9 

 
ZODIAC (Signs of)

sacred animals of S D II 23, 181n ;  

animals of Genesis are II 112n 

archaic nations knew I 320 

descend, ascend (explained) I 658; II 357 

"Fiery Lions" & Leo I 213 

kumaras connected w II 576 

Makara (Capricorn) I 384; II 268n, 576-80 

man's past, future in II 431-3 

Mother of God surrounded by I 400 

patriarchs connected w I 651 ; II 502-3 

seven planets & twelve I 79 

ten, twelve, among ancients II 502 &n 

tribes of Israel & I 400, 651; II 200n 

twelve, seven planets & races I 573 &n 

two mystery II 502 &n 

three Virgos of II 368, 433

when, vertical to pole II 357 

world builders II 23 

worshiped (2 Kings) I 649

 
ZODIACAL

allegory is historical S D II 353 

Aryan, calculations II 436 &n 

records (Atlantean) cannot err II 49 

ring, relic in Gobi II 503

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In ISIS UNVEILED 


Cycles I U I 294, 521,  

meanings II 455-67,

Celestial Virgin II 445, 

Signs II 448-9

Cross in II 452-3,

LIBRA in II 454,

Ezekiel's Wheel II 451,

Esoteric meanings II 462-4,

Gods, and Brahmanical II 465,

Taurus, Pisces, Aries II 465-6            

Of China I 241, 251, 260-1, 533-4, 621

Zeus, Diana, Luna I 265-7,

Egyptian Mysteries II 365

 
Best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----

From: Cindy 

Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:34 AM

To

Subject: [bn-study] The significance of the conjunction of sun, Mercury ,
Mars , and Jupiter in the same zodiac sign

Dear Dallas,

Upon reading the SECRET DOCTRINE, HPB mentions the significance of the
conjunction of all these planets in the same zodiac sign, although no
mention of which sign. 

DTB SOME MENTIONED ABOVE

 
Could you clarify?    

DTB I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH DTB

Is it just the conjunction that's significant, or the sign that it takes
place in?  


DTB I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH DTB

And just what makes it so significant to begin with?

 
DTB EVIDENCE OF MASS KARMA RETURNING AT SPECIFIC TIMES

Thanks! and peace,

Cindy