Theos-Talk Archives (April 2005 Message tt01855)

Hallo Thalprin and all,

My views are:

Sorry about the length of the email, but I thought it important enough.

So what you are saying is sort of the same as:
Theosophy follows this view:
It deals with everyone according to capacity and character, being neither
benevolent nor the reverse: for kindness and cruelty, while effective and
understood in ordinary relationships, operate as part of a conditioning
system within a teaching or group situation.

This is a polite question, so please
do not misunderstand me:
The question is, who has the ball...when you quit theos-talk?


To sort of help that answer to reveal itself the following has been written.

1.
The nearest exponent of the Esoteric philosophy "is the Vedanta as expounded
by the Advaita Vedantists," (Secret Doctrine, I, p. 55). (Bhagavad-Gita, W.
Q. Judge, p. 108)
http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/ctg/ve-vz.htm

Vedanta is not for everyone to learn.


2.
Quoting The Secret Doctrine:
Sri Sankaracharya, the greatest Initiate living in the historical ages,
wrote many a Bhashya on the Upanishads. But his original treatises, as there
are reasons to suppose, have not yet fallen into the hands of the
Philistines, for they are too jealously preserved in his maths (monasteries,
mathams). And there are still weightier reasons to believe that the
priceless Bhashyas (Commentaries) on the esoteric doctrine of the Brahmins,
by their greatest expounder, will remain for ages yet a dead letter to most
of the Hindus, except the Smartava Brahmins. This sect, founded by
Sankaracharya, (which is still very powerful in Southern India) is now
almost the only one to produce students who have preserved sufficient
knowledge to comprehend the

[[Footnote(s) -------------------------------------------------]]
* Also called "the Sons of Wisdom," and of the "Fire-Mist" and the "Brothers
of the Sun" in the Chinese records. Si-dzang (Tibet) is mentioned in the
MSS. of the sacred library of the province of Fo-Kien, as the great seat of
Occult learning from time immemorial, ages before Buddha. The Emperor Yu,
the "great" (2,207 years B.C.), a pious mystic and great adept, is said to
have obtained his knowledge from the "great teachers of the Snowy Range" in
Si-dzang.


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[[Vol. 1, Page]] 272 THE SECRET DOCTRINE.
dead letter of the Bhashyas. The reason of this is that they alone, I am
informed, have occasionally real Initiates at their head in their mathams,
as for instance, in the "Sringa-giri," in the Western Ghats of Mysore. On
the other hand, there is no sect in that desperately exclusive caste of the
Brahmins, more exclusive than is the Smartava; and the reticence of its
followers to say what they may know of the Occult sciences and the esoteric
doctrine, is only equalled by their pride and learning.

The Secret Doctrine by H. P. Blavatsky -- Vol. 1, page 271-2 OCCULTISM IN
THE UPANISHADS.


3.
Quoting The Secret Doctrine:
"The Logos, or both the unmanifested and the manifested WORD, is called by
the Hindus, Iswara, "the Lord," though the Occultists give it another name.
Iswara, say the Vedantins, is the highest consciousness in nature. "This
highest consciousness," answer the Occultists, "is only a synthetic unit in
the world of the manifested Logos -- or on the plane of illusion; for it is
the sum total of Dhyan-Chohanic consciousnesses." "Oh, wise man, remove the
conception that not-Spirit is Spirit," says Sankaracharya. Atma is
not-Spirit in its final Parabrahmic state, Iswara or Logos is Spirit; or, as
Occultism explains, it is a compound unity of manifested living Spirits, the
parent-source and nursery of all the mundane and terrestrial monads, plus
their divine reflection, which emanate from, and return into, the Logos,
each in the culmination of its time. There are seven chief groups of such
Dhyan Chohans, which groups will be found and recognised in every religion,
for they are the primeval SEVEN Rays. Humanity, occultism teaches us, is
divided into seven distinct groups and their sub-divisions, mental,
spiritual, and physical.* The monad, then, viewed as ONE, is above the
seventh principle (in Kosmos and man), and as a triad, it is the direct
radiant progeny of the said compound UNIT, not the breath (and special
creation out of nihil) of "God," as that unit is called; for such an idea is
quite unphilosophical, and degrades Deity, dragging it down to a finite,
attributive condition. As well expressed by the translator of the
"Crest-Jewel of Wisdom" -- though Iswara is "God" "unchanged in the
profoundest depths of pralayas and in the intensest activity of the
manvantaras" . . ., still "beyond (him) is
[[Footnote(s)]] ------------------------------------------------- 
* Hence the seven chief planets, the spheres of the indwelling seven
spirits, under each of which is born one of the human groups which is guided
and influenced thereby. There are only seven planets (specially connected
with earth), and twelve houses, but the possible combinations of their
aspects are countless. As each planet can stand to each of the others in
twelve different aspects, their combinations must, therefore, be almost
infinite; as infinite, in fact, as the spiritual, psychic, mental, and
physical capacities in the numberless varieties of the genus homo, each of
which varieties is born under one of the seven planets and one of the said
countless planetary combinations. See Theosophist, for August, 1886."

The Secret Doctrine by H. P. Blavatsky -- Vol. 1, page 573 THE CREST-JEWEL
OF WISDOM.
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd1-3-11.htm


4.
I quote The Secret Doctrine --- [[Vol. 1, Page]] 269 THE FIRST CHAPTER OF
CREATION. --- SUMMING UP.
"As a whole, neither the foregoing nor what follows can be found in full
anywhere. It is not taught in any of the six Indian schools of philosophy,
for it pertains to their synthesis -- the seventh, which is the Occult
doctrine. It is not traced on any crumbling papyrus of Egypt, nor is it any
longer graven on Assyrian tile or granite wall. The Books of the Vedanta
(the last word of human knowledge) give out but the metaphysical aspect of
this world-Cosmogony; and their priceless thesaurus, the Upanishads -- 
Upa-ni-shad being a compound word meaning "the conquest of ignorance by the
revelation of secret, spiritual knowledge" -- require now the additional
possession of a Master-key to enable the student to get at their full
meaning. The reason for this I venture to state here as I learned it from a
Master.
The name, "Upanishads," is usually translated "esoteric doctrine." These
treatises form part of the Sruti or "revealed knowledge," Revelation, in
short, and are generally attached to the Brahmana


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[[Vol. 1, Page]] 270 THE SECRET DOCTRINE.
portion of the Vedas,* as their third division. There are over 150
Upanishads enumerated by, and known to, Orientalists, who credit the oldest
with being written probably about 600 years B.C.; but of genuine texts there
does not exist a fifth of the number. The Upanishads are to the Vedas what
the Kabala is to the Jewish Bible. They treat of and expound the secret and
mystic meaning of the Vedic texts. They speak of the origin of the Universe,
the nature of Deity, and of Spirit and Soul, as also of the metaphysical
connection of mind and matter. In a few words: They CONTAIN the beginning
and the end of all human knowledge, but they have now ceased to REVEAL it,
since the day of Buddha. If it were otherwise, the Upanishads could not be
called esoteric, since they are now openly attached to the Sacred
Brahmanical books, which have, in our present age, become accessible even to
the Mlechchhas (out-castes) and the European Orientalists. One thing in
them -- and this in all the Upanishads -- invariably and constantly points
to their ancient origin, and proves (a) that they were written, in some of
their portions, before the caste system became the tyrannical institution
which it still is; and (b) that half of their contents have been eliminated,
while some of them were rewritten and abridged. "The great Teachers of the
higher Knowledge and the Brahmans are continually represented as going to
Kshatriya (military caste) kings to become their pupils." As Cowell
pertinently remarks, the Upanishads "breathe an entirely different spirit"
(from other Brahmanical writings), "a freedom of thought unknown in any
earlier work except in the Rig Veda hymns themselves." The second fact is
explained by a tradition recorded in one of the MSS. on Buddha's life. It
says that the Upanishads were originally attached to their Brahmanas after
the beginning of a reform, which led to the exclusiveness of the present
caste system among the Brahmins, a few centuries after the invasion of India
by the "twice-born." They were complete in those days, and were used for the
instruction of the chelas who were preparing for their initiation. "

So I will safely say that the Upanishads --- which Blavatsky calls the
"esoteric doctrine" is the methaphysicall version of the so ever sacret book
the esoteric Kiu-ti on the World-Cosmonogy. But a master-key is needed to
arrive at full understanding. - Agreed ?
And they were used as a preparation to the initiation of the chelas !!!

And as stated in my previous email. Blavatsky said, that some of the
monasteries problably had some of the secret texts by Shankara in their
possesion.

It is also a fact, that Trevor Leggett has in around 1981 translated to
english a released text (as late as app. 1952) - where Shankara comments on
the Patanjali Yoga-Sutras. And Shankara finds no problems with this teaching
in his commentary.



Just try and compare this with later theosophy - and smell the -
emotional-oriented - difference !


from
M. Sufilight


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "thalprin" <thalprin@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:24 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Kathleen blasts HPB and Theosophy by telling bold 
faced lies.


> Mr Sufi,
>
> You feel free to do as you please.
> And feel free to decide your own mistakes, not mine.
>
> I shall speak for myself.
>
> Ifn you feel overlooking lieing (and really a contunally ill
> mannered and deceptive behavior, you'll remember she's often wanting
> to dance clever insults ie too many instances through the last few
> months to mention unless you've amnesia) is acceptable AND that you
> wanna infer (yes there's that word again) wrong doing (or an un
> compassionate behavior) on my part to (as a tooling method) reflect
> folks levels back to them then remember this:
>
> "To be kind to the cruel is to be cruel to the kind."
>
> Sometimes, it gets down to this because sometimes alternatives are
> worth a try.
>
> There is right AND there is wrong.
>
> Feel free to send me a note if you wanna discuss this matter further.
>
> Terrie
>
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-
> theosophy@s...> wrote:
> > Hallo Thalprin and all,
> >
> > I think I will have to write you an email in private Thalprin.
> > Because the below email is not showing the potential readers
> > what could be called fruitful compassionate behaviour
> >
> > I do hope you understand me.
> > I have no intentions about misleading anyone.
> > And if you are wise - you will know that, this is the truth.
> >
> > My email-adress is: global-theosophy@s...
> > And Thalprin:
> > Feel free to drop me a line in private
> > if the below email was a mistake or was intended.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > from
> > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
>
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