Theos-Talk Archives (April 2005 Message tt01552)

Hi Cass-

Very interesting topic! 

I wonder if it is possible for Western minds to enter into the realm of "selflessness", 
which is more natural in Eastern cultures. The concept of Nirvana would seem foreign 
to most Westerners because the Self is more prominent here. It still doesn't resonate 
with me, for example. I'm with it up to place where I'm supposed to leave myself 
behind (egolessness)...I can see blending in with the energy of it all, and becoming 
one with the cosmos, and yet if I'm supposed do it without my own unique 
perspective I might as well be you, or the postman. 

Which ain't "bad" it just makes it seem, to me, well "unatural". Nature teems with 
personality and uniqueness (300,000+ varieties of the beetle, por exemplo), and our 
species follows this along this path with 6 billion, and counting, unique expressions 
of what existence is. To have this all blend in a sort of tapioca of bliss...

Now, I'm not that well read on what Nirvana means to an Eastern mind, so please 
forgive me if my reading of Nirvana isn't spot on. 

Now, about the idea of selfishness leading to a spiritual awakening, sure, why not? 
There are as many versions to awakening as there are people, more even when you 
factor in schitzophrenics...just kidding! But yes, darkness leads to light and visa 
versa. But the realization, the awakening, the moment of "Ah, yes!"- that is the 
desired state, yes? 

Some of us need the dark path, some take other routes. What is important is that we 
all get there! And then, when we all meet up, to have great stories to tell about our 
paths to the One...

Love,

niki


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "silva_cass" <silva_cass@y...> wrote:
> 
> Looking on the positive side, one or two questions, are raised in 
> regard to this question, which I would like to explore with others.
> 
> The Prakriti Buddha is one who has found self realization through 
> selfishness. Nirvana for itself rather than renunciation to help 
> others that are following. It is also said that the Prakriti Buddha 
> must return from Nirvana to evolution at some point. 
> 
> What is this pointing to? Wasn't it the Lipika's who refused to allow 
> their astral bodies to be used for Mankind's evolution. The fall. 
> This is suggesting a couple of things to me
> 
> 1) That initiation is still possible through selfish motives 
> 2) This then suggests a negative aspect to godhood, the yin-yang 
> if you like.
> 3) In the normal state of events of a Prakriti, this return to 
> evolution is imposed upon them. How does this impact on Free-will?
> 4) Do they meditate on their spiritual selfishness and return to 
> meet with their karmic consequences?
> 
> 
> The true purpose of this list is to explore these difficult questions, 
> in the true spirit in which they are offered - understanding.
> 
> Regards
> Cass