Theos-Talk Archives (April 2005 Message tt01488)

Sorry, I am computer illiterate, you come up in my in-box and I reply. But if you tell me where I can find the number, I can look at your original posting.
Cass

"M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:

My memory might fail me, but I did not mail such a message April 22/23, 2005
I can't find that mesage at theos-talk either.
What number does it have at Theos-talk forum?


M. Sufilight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cass Silva" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Hitler's Pope


>
> Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:45:31 +0200
> That was on the header. I also, seem, to have a lapse of 24 hours before 
> a response. I thought it was because Australia is ahead of Europe and 
> USA?
> Cass
>
> "M. Sufilight" wrote:
>
> Hallo Cass and all,
>
> I would like to know when I emailed the below to theos-talk ???
> What date do you have for me emailing that ???
>
>
> M. Sufilight
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cass Silva"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 10:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Hitler's Pope
>
>
>
> Perhaps, the Jewish people believed he was trying to assist them. I would
> imagine the only surviving Italian Jew, who was found amongst the dead
> bodies, would have no reason to lie. It was the Jesuits that said, give me
> your son at 7 and I will turn him into anything you want. So they have
> centuries of clever and subtle manipulation. I guess I dont know the 
> truth,
> but my suspicions lie with the Papacy, HPB was ferocious on the subject, 
> and
> I am sure, the notion that she also was a catholic propagandist, is
> ridiculous to contemplate.
> Everything seems corrupt about them, the voting system to elect a Pope.
> (PJ23) changed the system prior to his death to ensure the right man got 
> the
> job. And the death of his pre-decessor is shrouded in mystery. I have
> other postings from the same sight which discuss the Concordat, and the
> Christian Mafia if you are interested.
> Regards
> Cass
> "M. Sufilight" wrote:
>
> Reich Concordat
> July 20, 1933
>
> The Reich Concordat was an agreement signed between the Vatican and the
> National Socialist government of Germany. The person primarily responsible
> for the negotiation and signing of this document was the Cardinal 
> Secretary
> of State, Eugenio Pacelli, the future Pope Pius XII with the agreement of
> Pius XI. Pacelli was a firm believer in the unchallenged authority
> of the Pope as the head of the Catholic Church. For this reason, he had 
> long
> aimed to establish a formal agreement between the Vatican and Germany, and
> impose upon the country's Catholic population the pope's authority. The
> German Catholics were one of the most powerful, influential and wealthy
> Catholic communities around the world. Pacelli wished to establish a power
> relationship with the local clergy that would heavily favor the Vatican. 
> He
> aimed to do so through the imposition of the Canon Code of Law, a 
> definition
> of Church laws that was published and brought into force in 1917; this
> interpretation of Church law
> encouraged the supremacy and absolutism of the pontiff over the local
> clergy.
>
>
> The Concordat allowed the papacy to impose the new laws on the German
> clergy, and gained special privileges for Catholic schools and
> organizations. Pacelli also hoped that the agreement would safeguard 
> against
> Nazi encroachments on and persecution of the German Catholic minority. In
> exchange, the Vatican would 'encourage' the local Catholic clergy and
> faithful to 'voluntarily' withdraw from politics, going as far as 
> disbanding
> its powerful Catholic Center Party. This effectually destroyed any 
> political
> opposition against the Nazis. This guarantee of nonintervention left 
> Hitler
> and the Nazis free to pursue their anti-Semitic policies. Pacelli's
> fear of Catholic persecution raises an interesting controversy. As one of
> the most powerful and faithful communities in Germany, the Catholics 
> should
> have had little to fear from the Nazis especially as early as 1933. The
> matter is further complicated by the historic success of Catholic 
> resistance
> against government persecution in
> Germany such as that against Bismarck's Kulturkampf, arguably a more
> systematic and powerful persecuting force than what the Nazis could have
> been in 1933. The Kulturkampf or "culture struggle" was a policy 
> formulated
> by Bismarck, partly as a reaction to the dogma of infallibility. Under 
> this
> program, the entire Catholic community of Germany was systematically
> persecuted, and much of the clergy and its work were submitted to state
> interference. Even as late as 1942, the German Catholic community
> was a powerful social force. The opposition of the Catholics to the Nazi
> euthanasia program helped hasten its end and whatever was left had to 
> moved
> underground. The organization and success of the Jesuits as the 'secret
> army' of the Vatican was another aspect that was feared and greatly 
> admired
> by the Nazis. Himmler went as far as to model the SS after the Jesuits and
> believed them to be the most successful intelligence gathering 
> organization
> in the world, and hence, one to be
> greatly feared. Eventually, the reluctance of the Vatican to
> encourage Catholic opposition against the Nazis and their policies served 
> as
> a silent endorsement of their policies. The moral base for protest for the
> Catholics was further compromised with the silence of Pius XII even when 
> the
> terms of the Concordat were repeatedly violated by the Nazis. The 
> reticence
> of the Pope in publicly denouncing Nazi anti-Semitism and his failure to
> publish "The Lost Encyclical" of Pius XI are seen by at least
>
>
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