Theos-Talk Archives (April 2005 Message tt00931)

Dear Morten
I have just been watching a show on the History Channel about all the popesand the papacy. Talk about organized crime! The voting system, works by a series of votes, at various times of the day. The votes and who receivedthe most votes are read out and the top runners announced, then, couple ofhours later a new vote is taken and the top runners announced again. From the first and second round votes the cardinals can figure out who the other cardinals are voting for. As there is also a power structure within theranks of the cardinals themselves, some carrying more clout than others, those cardinals carrying less weight, see who the cardinals with more cloutare pushing, and can swing over their vote next round. They mentioned that, as " no one wants to work under an antagonistic cardinal, the man the elite few want in power, gets the job. So if it is not Ratzinger it will be someone Ratzinger wants there.
 
There is no religion higher than politics.
Regards
Cass
 

"M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:

Hallo Cass and all,

Yeah...
Their Theosophy is however Truth without Wisdom, because they will only 
allow reason as blind faith to rule.

This following website has some interesting views.
Not all of them that much founded upon documentation,
but never-the-less helpful to picture the truth.
http://www.weirdload.com/inquis.html

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More info

1.
"New Age" something they accuse Theosophy to be the founder of is to them 
Witchcraft or heresy and a treath to the Holy Church
and its Inquisition - today known as Congregation for the Doctrine of the 
Faith.
(The only real founders of New Age is according to my views C.W. Leadbeater 
and Annie Besant - despite Blavatsky's clear expressions about that 
Theosophy was created to steem the tide of Spiritualism, sorcery, mediumism 
and worship of the dead. As if Leadbeaters LCC has avoided such issues. And 
many pro-Leadbeaterians and pro-Besants love The New Age, although some of 
them won't officially say so. A much more clearly expressed stance by the 
TS organisations towards The New Age and all their false promoters, teacher 
and charlatans would be helpful and welcomed.)

What was once the Holy Office of the Inquisition is now called the "Sacred 
Congregation for the Propagation of the Faith",
until very recently headed by orthodoxy-czar Cardinal Ratzinger
And Cardinal Ratzinger is even these days a candidate to become the Pope.

- - - Ruling in the Shadow of John Paul II: The Vatican Four - - -
"Ratzinger is the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, 
the supreme custodian of dogma. And he, too, exercises unprecedented power. 
Before him, the heads of the Holy Office responded to inquiries on 
individual doctrinal cases, and questioned unorthodox theologians. Ratzinger 
does this, and much more. He releases doctrinal documents that customarily 
are produced by the pope. He writes encyclicals, circular letters to the 
bishops of the whole world, another typical papal prerogative: the most 
recent, released last summer, was on the relationship between man and woman.

The most controversial pronouncement signed by Ratzinger was the declaration 
"Dominus Iesus," August 6, 2000, on faith in Christ as the one, 
irreplaceable way of salvation for every man. He unleashed a tempest of 
criticism even from leading cardinals and archbishops, from Carlo Maria 
Martini to Edward Cassidy, from Karl Lehmann to Walter Kasper, who were 
convinced that the pope would intervene to defuse and mediate the situation. 
The opposite happened. John Paul II covered Ratzinger completely with his 
own authority. He said that he had "wished for and approved ['Dominus 
Iesus'] in a special way."

Since then, Ratzinger's power has been continually on the rise. When he 
turned 75 in 2002, the pope, instead of dismissing him, reconfirmed him 
without an age limit. And that's not all. In spite of his age, Ratzinger has 
recently jumped to the top of the list of candidates for the papacy. There 
are dozens of cardinals, in the Vatican and beyond, who would vote for him 
at the first scrutiny of a not-too-distant conclave. Some look at him as if 
he were already the de facto pope, the stony defender of the faith in a 
Church under attack from modernity. "
http://www.chiesa.espressonline.it/printDettaglio.jsp?id=19630&eng=y
(Apr. 2nd 2005 - Cardinal - Ratzinger resigned as leader of the 
"Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith", what was previously known as 
the Inquisition. And more happened april 2nd 2005. Angelo Cardinal Sodano 
resigned as "Secretariat of State". This happened the day of the Popes 
death.)


Interview with Archbishop Jean-Louis Tauran
Vatican Undersecretary for Relations with States - Sept. 10, 2002
http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/documents/tauraninterview.htm
(Read for instance the last question. This interview was taken when the 
emotions were going high on the Twin Towers and Bhagdad.
The next year nov. 2003 Jean Louis got promoted to the position as nothing 
else but "Archivist of Vatican Secret Archives"
and he is also sort of the "Foreign Minister" of the Vatican.
He didn't resign when the pope died.)
His activities or career:
http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/btauran.html

Also this one from Aljazeera:
"This resistance from the Vatican provoked the fury of the Administration 
and the Neocons. Condoleeza Rice was sent to Rome, the key "Catholic" neo 
conservative, Michael Novak (the author of the so-called "theology of 
capitalism") was sent as a representative of President Bush to teach the 
Pope and the Cardinals the new theological foundations that made the attack 
on Iraq a "just war."
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/review/article_full_story.asp?service_id=7585
(4/11/2005)
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2. Secterian definitions

Sects within the Holy Church - its view on brainwashing and other issues
"ARE THERE SECTS IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH?
Christoph Schönborn, O.P.
Archbishop of Vienna, Austria"
http://www.ewtn.com/library/CHRIST/ORSECTS.HTM
(Interesting reading - and - selfconcradicting)

This can be compared with my recent posting here at Theos-Talk
"Sufi-schools Esoterical-schools and Theosophy-schools"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/24361


There are real dangers.



from
M. Sufilight


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cass Silva" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Certain ugly heretical facts...


>
> Dear Morten,
> Read through about 50% of it. Wish they could get away from the Sermon 
> approach. They call it new age, but as we know, it is an older tradition, 
> based on the ancient wisdom, that preceded christianity. Some of their 
> definitions of truth are biased, but some are good descriptive examples of 
> what theosophy is. I think they have waited too long to stem the tide of 
> new thinkers and are reaching out like a drowning man for converts, as 
> opposed to 50 years ago when they threw out the rope for the drowning man. 
> I believe the rot has set in for catholocism and they are all just 
> protecting their jobs.
> Cass
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> "M. Sufilight" wrote:
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> Hallo all,
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> The following on certain heretical issues are not for everone - so stay 
> away if you
> are not willing to face the facts.
>
> So how do the Cardinals of today deal with New Age - also called 
> Theosophy?
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> The Dugpa at our doorstep:
> JESUS CHRIST THE BEARER OF THE WATER OF LIFE - A Christian reflection on 
> the "New Age"
> http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/documents/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html
> http://www.cathnews.com/news/406/89.php (A paper created by Caradinals)
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> How do the Vatican view Theosophical teachings - 2003:
> "However, it is well to be aware that the doctrine of the Christ spread in 
> New Age circles is inspired by the theosophical teachings of Helena 
> Blavatsky, Rudolf Steiner's anthroposophy and Alice Bailey's "Arcane 
> School". Their contemporary followers are not only promoting their ideas 
> now, but also working with New Agers to develop a completely new 
> understanding of reality, a doctrine known by some observers as "New Age 
> truth"."
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> A more positive view on the matter - at known Chatolic website:
> http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=166
> (Cardinal Ratzinger's Warning - is telling us something)
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> The Church stance on the Inquisition
> " Vatican 'dispels Inquisition myths' "
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3809983.stm (BBC - Tuesday, 15 June, 
> 2004)
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> Encyclopedia of - The Catholic Church
> "II. THE SUPPRESSION OF HERESY BY THE INSTITUTION KNOWN AS THE 
> INQUISITION"
> http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08026a.htm
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> Torture instruments - the Inquisition
> http://www.thelivingweb.net/punishment_and_instruments_of_torture.html
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> Witchcraft at the Inquisition - The Caradinals at their best
> http://www.paralumun.com/inquisition.htm
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> Pope Innocent VIII - Papal Bull
> "Summis desiderantes"
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summis_desiderantes
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Innocent_VIII (Pope VIII - "father of 
> Rome")
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> Pope Innocent III and his crusade against the Kathars
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade
> (Perhaps one could look at the Similarities to activitites at Washington)
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> These papal papers have never been excommunicated
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> Small sects has through the centuries been crushed either by The Vatican 
> or countries ruled by it.
> Is the Theosophical Society the next in line?
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> What happened at Bhagdad?
> Was it all real - or was it just heavy propaganda?
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> from
> M. Sufilight
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