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States of Evolution and Meat Eating, and Dream within a Dream

Apr 14, 2005 03:34 PM
by John


> > Nothing can justify eating flesh of innocent animals.

Laws of morality depend on stage of evolution.
I agree with you here.

For men, they must always avoid cruelty.
I can only agree with you on this if you change your statement

<<< For men at your stage of evolution on the path that you are following, they must always avoid cruelty. >>>

It is right for you not to eat meat of any kind, because that is a decision that you made that is appropriate for where you are on your spiritual and evolutional path, but I do not believe that you can tell me that I am wrong because I choose to have approximately one meal a day that includes meat. (I call myself a half-vegetarian).

Likewise, even if someone overdoes the meat in his diet, like the crazy idiots who get that mega-bomb at that fast-food giant that wants to give people a giant sandwich with double or triple the calories needed for a daily intake, it is not up to us to judge them. If I tell a person he is wrong for his behavior, I am judging him, and that I find wrong. (Though sometimes, I find myself judging the huge companies who appear to be making their decisions based only on what is probably wrong for the recipients, like the article in today's newspaper about McDonald's 50th birthday coming up, and their realization that sales would be bigger if they emphasized sugar and other bad things in their ingredients lists.)

I'm reminded of a dream that I had I don't know how long ago. In it, I had earlier performed some duty for this person for which I was paid a thousand dollars. He then gave me a check for a second thousand dollars for which I was supposed to kill someone. The next day, I returned the check to him and told him that while it was right for him to kill the person, it was wrong for me to do it.

That dream is part of the reason that I do not judge people for doing something that I consider to be wrong, because God might have his reasons for it being right for that other person to do those things. (I'm not saying that it's right for them to do it and that they should get away with it based on that defense, just that between them and God, it is not for me to judge.)

I've had other interesting dreams, including a number of what I call "Dream within a Dream" which I feel to be the most spiritual. I keep meaning to expand on one or two of them, since a month ago, someone asked about the topic, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. It was in one such dream that I "met God", at first, without knowing that he was God. In his physical presence, before I knew who he was, we talked like regular people, and I helped him get ready for a train show he was going to do for that city celebration. I remembered what we talked about in the physical presence.

But when I found myself in his godly presence rather than just his physical presence, he had all these wonderful things to say to me, but when I woke up out of the inner dream, I told the people in the Christian Commune where I had slept in that outer dream that I met God and that he had all these wonderful things to say to me, but that I couldn't remember one thing that he had said. A voice came to me and told me that the reason I couldn't remember what God had said to me was that God's message is different for each of us, and if I had repeated what God said to me, that somebody else might think that it was for them, too.

That dream is one of the reasons I do not insist that people agree with me on matters of spirituality. I have my own path to follow, and I'll be glad to tell others about my path, but I emphasize that their path can be different from mine.

I have others that I should comment on sometime, including one dream within a dream in the outer dream of which I promised to tell a family about my night of three major dreams (which actually happened months earlier) but woke up before I could tell them about them. (I was looking forward to hearing myself tell them about them.)

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