Theos-Talk Archives (April 2005 Message tt00572)

I Thought some of my friends might be interested in this slightly revised 
version of my original letter. Len
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Dear Dallas, Gopi, others,

With reference to the question of "how Theosophy would address Quantum idea 
with regard to Karma and chance?" ... I would say that theosophy does not 
consider that the Quantum theory of Indeterminacy has any validity -- since it is a 
contrived concept to cover up the fact that this theory cannot predict 
anything that happens or explain the existence of substantial mass-energy or 
expressed primal Force below the quantum level of their supposed fundamental 
"particles" -- i.e., in the "Planck distance" space between these apparent particles 
and their zero-point of origin. Thus, they make up probability laws and 
"hidden variables" that make no reasonable or logical sense -- except in their 
contrived and incomprehensible mathematics -- to work around and attempt to explain 
the paradoxes that reductive materialistic thinking leads them to.

Both theosophy as well as ABC (and also Einstein's theory of relativity) 
denies that such "particles" have any real existence... Although, we could assume 
they are relatively solid and stabilized individual packets of force) ... 
Since, according to these concepts that consider all matter to be based on 
"coadunate but not consubstantial" fields of energy extending fractally from the 
zero-point to infinite extension of space-time -- these vibrational waves of 
primal force or the motion of Space itself that, when tied together in stable 
patterns on the lowest frequency-energy order physical plane, only appear to be 
separate "particles"... But, nevertheless, on all levels of such "fields of 
consciousness," they must follow rigid laws of electricity, cycles, cause and 
effect, etc., while obeying the fundamental laws of symmetry, conservation of 
energy, thermodynamics, etc. -- related to the particular frequency-energy phase 
order of each fractally involved field. Thus, the constants (e.g., time, 
frequency spectrum, spatial directions, etc.) on each such hyperspace coenergetic 
field would vary accordingly. Of course, since quantum physics can't 
objectively observe or measure any of it, in their world, none of it could exist. :-)

As Einstein said, in his denial of the validity of the current Copenhagen 
view of quantum theory (Bohr, Heisenberg, etc.) -- "God does not play dice." 

All currently accepted scientific theories are limited by the unfounded 
presumption that physical matter is the only reality... And, thereby, they have no 
conception about how the objective matter they can measure is linked to and 
can be affected by subjective consciousness (awareness, thought, will, etc.) -- 
which are also fundamental, although non material realities of the overall 
space-time continuum. The laws of Karma depends completely on the unity and 
interconnectivity of these two opposite aspects of fundamental reality, as well as 
the immutable laws of cycles and periodicity that determine the actions and 
reactions within and between them. 

Thus, in reality, consciousness is linked to physical matter through the 
Zero-point energy fields which connect them to the absolute zero-point of primal 
Space or absolute existence. Therefore, we might say that consciousness is 
everywhere and, thus, nonlocal, unchanging and, thereby, timeless -- while matter 
is localized in apparently separate forms that are constantly changing in 
time. In this respect, even the relativity physics that considers time as a 
fourth dimension of the metric "space-time continuum" and treats it mathematically 
as a vector with respect to the three directional dimensions of globular 
space -- is a wrong view... Since, time is simply the measure of change... And, 
when there is no change, there is no time. Einstein knew this, but had to add 
such mathematical contrivances (including his imaginary gravitational constant) 
to relate his theory of relativity to quantum physics (which are incompatible 
with each other). Unfortunately, this, and his inability to scientifically 
prove the existence of non metric intermediate coenergetic fields between the 
metric space-time continuum's "particles" and the zero-point prevented him from 
coming up with a consistent and valid "unified field theory" that he spent 
the last years of his life searching for a solution.

However, the more recent view of sub-quantum physics (Bohm, Pribram, etc.) 
regarding "Implicate-Explicate Orders" and the "Holographic Paradigm," along 
with the view of Greene, Kaku, etc., with respect to Superstring/M-brane theories 
(that consolidates quantum and relativity theories) -- are much closer to the 
theosophical and ABC view. None of these newer theories disagree with Karma 
as the result of inexorable cause=effect through all levels and aspects of 
reality, and neither do they relate such cause and effect to "chance" -- since 
they are based on highly complex but only apparently random factors that have to 
do with "Complexity-Simplicity" and "Chaos-Order" theories -- that also do 
not recognize any indeterminacy in Natural processes, nor do they contradict 
theosophical metaphysics or the ABC theory and model.

I hope this helps clarify some of the confusion between true theosophical 
science that sees no gaps in either involution or evolution, and conventional 
reductive material science whose unknown and indeterminate gaps between the 
quantum particle and their zero-point of origination add up to be as wide as the 
entire Universe. :-) i.e., Nothing in quantum science can explain the 
"perturbations" of the vast amount of electromagnetic energy that exist in this (to 
them) empty vacuum -- whose reality was proven in 1948 by the Casimir effect. 
<http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Quantum/casimir.html> 

But, then, they don't need such zero-point energy (ZPE) to make our solid 
state electronic cell phones, computers, DVD's, and other digital do dads work... 
So, why should they bother trying to understand it? :-)

Best wishes,

Leon Maurer

P.S. But there are still some of us dogged (possibly "Mad" ;-) 
scientist/philosophers around who still think that finding the ultimate truth is worth the 
search, no matter how many ikons and contrived notions of reality are exposed 
and washed away in the process. 


In a message dated 01/11/05 9:06:34 AM, dalval14@earthlink.net writes:

Jan 11 2004


Dear Lenny:


If you have time could you look at this question? Possibly answer?


I don't have a brief on QUANTUM THEORY -- at least enough to 

use to answer. Might not INDETERMINACY also apply? In any 

case how does the ABC THEORY handle this?


Problem is grasping (I think) that KARMA antecedes all manifestation and, as

in indissoluble part of the ABSOLUTE (as is everything else of course), it

operates unerringly and faithfully to the MOTIVE of the chooser. 


No question of "luck" or "chance," or "indeterminacy" ever. Always LAW. 


The IMMORTALITY of every MONAD (regardless of its "level" of advancement on 
the "ladder of Being,") guarantees that eventually all disturbance in

universal equilibrium gets returned to its disturber -- its source. 


I would say that our "Lower-Mind" is always on the prowl to discover if

there are any chinks in the KARMIC plenum.


If any can be found then the whole Theosophical philosophy falls to the

ground and is as useless as any other -ism or hypothesis. 


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ENQUIRER. How, then, should Theosophical principles be applied so that

social co-operation may be promoted and true efforts for social amelioration

be carried on? 



THEOSOPHIST. Let me briefly remind you what these principles are --

universal Unity and Causation; Human Solidarity; the Law of Karma;

Re-incarnation. These are the four links of the golden chain which should

bind humanity into one family, one universal Brotherhood. Key p. 233


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Thanks, 


And always best wishes, 


Dal


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QUESTIONS ASKED



G I raised question about how Theosophy would address Quantum idea

with regards to Karma and chance. -- Gopi asks.