Theos-Talk Archives (April 2005 Message tt00187)

Success of spiritual movement depends on policies of the 
organization, it's ideology, culture and many things which might 
appear less important to ordinary people. 


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" <krishtar_a@b...> wrote:
> Anand
> 
> Many of us here are curious to know why you participate so warmly 
in these ideologic and political discussions about Adyar and ULT/ST 
and ignores almost all the really important questions that everybody 
sends you about so relevant points on defences in the spiritual 
field...
> 
> K
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Anand Gholap 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:01 AM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: Why Leadbeater is considered King of All 
Occultists
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It is the bitter and cultish-like closed mindedness and 
> > resentments from too many present day members in any of the 
> Theosophical 
> > Organizations (including Adyar) that continues to spew forth 
its 
> poisons 
> > of bigotry, arrogance and pretentiousness which ruins the 
> Theosophical 
> > cause. 
> 
> 
> I agree with you on this point. I found that some members of even 
> Adyar TS in America have created dogma and created atmosphere 
that 
> HPB was right and all others are foolish. If Truth can be known 
by 
> only one person then what was the point in giving so much 
information 
> about Masters, on discipleship, on the path of occultism. Reason 
why 
> so much information is given by the Masters about discipleship is 
it 
> is possible for considerable number of people to know Truth 
directly. 
> I know atmosphere in many coutries but I am disappointed with the 
> situation of Theosophy in America. This sect, cult is created by 
Non-
> Adyar TS organization but it infected American Section of Adyar 
TS in 
> America.
> Anand Gholap
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Anand Gholap wrote:
> > 
> > >Jerry,
> > >Real problem as I see is there are more than three so called 
> > >Theosophical organizations. And members of them consider other 
> > >organization as competitor. America is very unfortunate as far 
as 
> > >Theosophy is concerned. Split did ruin Theosophical movement 
in 
> > >America to much extent. If you are in management, then why 
don't 
> you 
> > >try to merge other small organizations in TSA.
> > >Anand Gholap
> > >
> > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Hejka-Ekins 
<jjhe@c...> 
> > >wrote:
> > > 
> > >
> > >>Anand,
> > >>
> > >>One works cooperatively by collaborating with others on 
projects 
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >which 
> > > 
> > >
> > >>all parties involved feel are for the general good. The 
manner 
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >which 
> > > 
> > >
> > >>the project is carried out would be according to the agreed 
upon 
> > >>"policies or wisdom", as you put it, of each individual. 
> > >>
> > >>To give an example: When I was invited to participate in the 
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >planning 
> > > 
> > >
> > >>committee for the Pasadena TS's 1988 networking convention, 
I 
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >learned 
> > > 
> > >
> > >>that their system of planning was for everyone to participate 
in 
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >each 
> > > 
> > >
> > >>step of the planning process, including the wording of 
letters 
> and 
> > >>fliers. The Chairship was rotated at each meeting, so, 
sometimes 
> > >>members of other Theosophical Organizations (such as Adyar 
and 
> ULT) 
> > >>chaired the meetings. Each chair had their own style of 
> conducting 
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >the 
> > > 
> > >
> > >>meeting, and did so according to their own wisdom. The event 
was 
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >very 
> > > 
> > >
> > >>successful. 
> > >>
> > >>An example where TSA rejected a proposal of collaboration 
> concerned 
> > >>Point Loma Publications. Emmett Small, then President of 
Point 
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >Loma 
> > > 
> > >
> > >>Publications proposed to TSA that they co-publish a 
particular 
> > >>Theosophical book. I believe the book he proposed was "Wind 
of 
> the 
> > >>Spirit." which is not about Theosophical doctrines, but 
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >Theosophical 
> > > 
> > >
> > >>wisdom. He received a reply from Dora Kunz who rejected the 
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >proposal. 
> > > 
> > >
> > >>The reason she gave was that the book is "too 
Theosophical." 
> She 
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >did 
> > > 
> > >
> > >>not propose an alternative book for co-publication. 
> > >>
> > >>If policies are of such a nature that they prevent work to be 
> done 
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >for 
> > > 
> > >
> > >>the general good of humanity and prevent solidarity between 
> fellow 
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >human 
> > > 
> > >
> > >>beings, then I suggest that such policies need to be 
reviewed. 
> TS 
> > >>Pasadena's policy of involving everyone into the decision 
making 
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >process 
> > > 
> > >
> > >>and rotating the Chairperson ship in the meetings was a 
policy 
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >which 
> > > 
> > >
> > >>produced a very well run networking conference which everyone 
was 
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >happy 
> > > 
> > >
> > >>to have been a part of. TSA's policy of rejecting the co-
> operative 
> > >>publication of a Theosophical book on the grounds that it 
is "too 
> > >>Theosophical" raises questions in my mind. What is your 
opinion?
> > >>
> > >>Jerry
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Anand Gholap wrote:
> > >>
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >>>Jerry,
> > >>> 
> > >>>
> > >>> 
> > >>>
> > >>>>No, the networking we tried to promote does not mean 
adopting 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>
> > >>>another 
> > >>> 
> > >>>
> > >>> 
> > >>>
> > >>>>organization's policies. It means respecting other's 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>
> > >differences, 
> > > 
> > >
> > >>>>extending a hand of fellowship, and working cooperatively 
with 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>
> > >>>others 
> > >>> 
> > >>>
> > >>> 
> > >>>
> > >>>>who share the ideals of world solidarity. 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>
> > >>>When actions are guided by wise policies or wisdom then 
only 
> they 
> > >>>become helpful to others. So when you say 'working 
cooperatively 
> > >>> 
> > >>>
> > >with 
> > > 
> > >
> > >>>others', what policies guide those actions is important. 
> > >>>
> > >>>Anand Gholap 
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