Theos-Talk Archives (March 2005 Message tt00727)

Hello Dallas,

Please have Jerome take a look at the DES archives concerning the
charter and have him get back to me privately.

Thanks
--j


W.Dallas TenBroeck wrote:

> Mar 30 05
>
> Thank Jerome for the adjustment. I was to sure if they had actually 
> joined the Hargrove society: renamed “T S in A.”
>
> I will tell Jerry of this.
>
> */Dallas/*
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Jerome Wheeler [mailto:ultinla@juno.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:20 AM
> *To:* dalval14@earthlink.net
> *Subject:* Re: Theos-World Why ULT became local while Adyar TS 
> International Organization
>
> Dallas,
>
> Hejka-Ekins is incorrect when he says:
>
> **It is true that Robert Crosbie, one of the ***
> **primary founders of ULT was at an earlier time a member of the Point 
> Loma Theosophical Society, but he left that organization joined the 
> Hargrove Society and formed a group under then left the Hargrove 
> society and formed the ULT around 1909. ***
>
> Dallas,
>
> this is NOT A TRUE statement from my reading of the archives!!!
>
> There was discussion about the the possibility of joining the Johnston 
> group (Hargrove had moved into the background by then), but when they 
> investigated the actual possibility, the Johnston group would not 
> allow enough freedom to prospective lodges, so the idea was scuttled.
>
> jerome
>
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 04:50:02 -0800 "W.Dallas TenBroeck" 
> <dalval14@earthlink.net <mailto:dalval14@earthlink.net>> writes:
> > Mar 30 2005
> >
> > Dear Jerry:
> >
> > Thanks for this
> >
> > Well defined. Clear and concise
> >
> > As always,
> >
> > Dallas
> >
> > =======================
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jerry Hejka-Ekins
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:34 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Why ULT became local while Adyar TS International
> > Organization
> >
> >
> > As long as you are educating us on "the important facts", may I
> > correct
> > a few, perhaps, less important ones in your message in order to put
> >
> > your "facts" into perspective:
> >
> > 1. The ULT did not split off of the Adyar Society. It would be more
> >
> > accurate to say that it was a break off of the Theosophical Society
> > led
> > by Ernest Hargrove. It is true that Robert Crosbie, one of the
> > primary
> > founders of ULT was at an earlier time a member of the Point Loma
> > Theosophical Society, but he left that organization joined the
> > Hargrove
> > Society and formed a group under then left the Hargrove society and
> >
> > formed the ULT around 1909.
> >
> > 2. I'm not sure what you mean by "local organization" but ULT has
> > branches in Europe, India, North and South America.
> >
> > 3. Memberships in all of the Theosophical Organizations went through
> >
> > cycles of increase and decline at the same time (which in my
> > opinion, is
> > an indication as to how closely they are linked together
> > karmically).
> >
> > 4. I have been involved in the four presently existing Theosophical
> >
> > Organizations (Pasadena, ULT, Adyar) and know people and have
> > friends in
> > all of them. My experience has been that they all have their share
> > of
> > bright intuitive and dull unintuitive members.
> >
> > 5. Nevertheless, I think it is misleading to compare the Adyar TS to
> >
> > ULT, because the two organizations are of very different natures.
> > The
> > Adyar TS is a membership organization who support the Theosophical
> > Society, while the ULT is an association of independent students
> > working
> > to promote the Theosophical Movement.
> >
> > --j
> >
> >
> > Anand Gholap wrote:
> >
> > >After splitting of the Society, Judge Society, ULT depended heavily
> > on
> > >Blavatsky's writing for more than 100 years. In many parts of the
> > >world Blavatsky's writing was not appreciated, it could not
> > convince
> > >intuition and intellect of people. In many parts it was actually
> > >hated. Result is Judge Society became local organization.
> > >Adyar TS because of Masters' blessings got many occultists who
> > wrote
> > >well and it was appreciated by people around the world. So Adyar TS
> >
> > >became International organization.
> > >I don't have much interest in organizational politics. But these
> > are
> > >important facts.
> > >Anand Gholap