Theos-Talk Archives (March 2005 Message tt00078)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Alaya" <lalaya7@y...> wrote:
> 
> "Can you explain me the mistakes you have found."
> 
> Are you asking on this life or the previous one? hehhe just kidding
> 
> Christina wrote:
> "I don't think they have to do with the material(words are written)
> lectures of HPB. But more with the materialists in the TS, have 
not?"
> 
> No Chris, I don't have any problem related to H.P.B... in fact I 
> adore her =) 
> And you are right, there are some 

Alaya,Some? I have seen so much, that the Harmony was away and even I 
started to be of that kind influenced.


materialists in the TS and this 
> definetly doens't fit for me and the purposes of the Society
> But there are many little things who made me left...
> I couldn't possibly explain all of them..
> but i saw little interest in HPB in comparison to 'neo-theosophy'
> And a great amount of little interest relating to everything
> long meetings that never get anywhere of disscussing the first 
volume 
> of the D.S.... for example
> Most member didn't seem to want to get anywhere...
> it turned into a 'discussion club'
> a club!

Like Ping Pong, you mean?

> if they were discussing Nieztche (anything!) or HPB it didn't seem 
to 
> matter..
> Many people going to meetings just to fullfill the empty space of 
the 
> chairs... (i.e - to show to others that they go)
> Many people participating on the discussions just to show the know 
> something, and give 'long lectures' of technicism like if they were 
> saying to the group 'see, i know'...
My family have had nice words for that: PEACOCKS

> Many talks on chakras and this 'esoterism' of nowadays, which 
wasn't 
> the guideline of Theosophy and HPB
> Little respect when talking about the Masters
All that idiots that I have seen, ask me, who is your Master?
And I said "I am the master of myself, but not yet the Big One."


> Some people trying to get attention to themselves trying to show 
that 
> the 'masters arewith him/her'

That are the teachers of the lower grade, as we see by many New Age 
business.And I don't mean all.There are good ones.But you must find 
or they find you.

> I didn't see real interest on spiritual life...
> (with few exceptions)
Then you have not looked well.You never see Radha B Speaking?.
Here in our country she sit and speaks like a Siamese Cat and that 
was necessary here, for the deafs.
If she closes something or somehow I am sure she do it from her 
knowledge of HPB, because there is a principle dangerous and that 
don't help anyone, but kill him.

You cannot give a baby a knife or spoon or any thing he put in his 
mouth; children put things in their mouth for the sense of taste.

What I followed here, was real school like I had the high grade 
again, but different.

> too much superficiality...
> just people meeting like they were somehow trying to prove 
themselves 
> that they are doing something foir their spirituality..
> but what happened in the meetings was reading the book... never 
going 
> deep..
> and i can read at home...
> And if you want to go deeper, claim for something more... some say 
> you are being over-critic

There is a time of comming and going.Every country have differences 
and different people.So I stopped somewhere I finished my duty and go 
on something new, with new possibilities.
For what you go on holiday's? For pleasure I think.

> ... "still" people.. you know 
Do you think so??
There are wolves in sheapclothes and very good hearders to listen 
and take all of you for later use against you!! And Hypnotic people 
and many of a bad kind. And they keep there mouth; so you must look 
and see!!!
Do you think so?
I think, you never know someone else, till you go on holidays with 
him or her and even then it is the question?
First it is necessary to know and love yourself, otherwise you cannot 
love the other 


> or when Mrs. Radha came here and wanted to close the Esoteric 
Section

For reason I have seen in our country, she have done very and very 
well.To close one section.
> and support only krishnamurti groups...Maybe better, for them.

I see now very claer, it is all in the same or game and everywhere.
They have opened the doors and all misserable is comming.
What anand is saying Extra-ordinary people.
> sometimes i felt like if the members were kiling HPB...
> The same i felt years and years ago...
That is impossible, she allways come back I think that I have seen. 
> Well... this may seem over-criticism..
> But I don't deny the good things...
> like reprints of the old books
> and some or other lecture on matters of importance...
> But many of the people i liked there
> also left
> so...
> But it is much better to go to the T.S than to be caught in any of 
> the many traps one may find in the spiritual way..
> 'pseudo-groups'
> misleading teachings...
> I see the T.S weak... but not destroyng atleast, the potencial of 
> people, just stoping it
> some other groups are extremely dangerous
> so if someone asks me where to go
> i first try to estimulate the person to see that she has on our 
days 
> all the media she needs to go by her own..
> but if she still wants a group
> i would sugest the T.S..
> 
I only can tell for me ;I found home and made profit of many lectures
where we listen like we are little children.
Nobody speaks between the lectures all sitting on the lips of the 
teacher,other words it was mousy still and the Yoga teacher allways 
speaks over our monkey mind.Do you know a monkey mind goes from one 
three to the other, even in brain; so he learned us keep your monkey 
in one three. 
Keeps it in your pool of wisdom ,
Christina
> 
> -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "christinaleestemaker" 
> <christinaleestemaker@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Alaya" <lalaya7@y...> wrote:
> > Alaya
> > 
> > Can you explain me the mistakes you have found.
> > I don't think they have to do with the material(words are written)
> > lectures of HPB. But more with the materialists in the TS, have 
not?
> > Christina
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > I was...
> > > but since I started to learn more I noticed some mistakes (in 
my 
> > > point of view) in the T.S... and I thought that the true 
> Theosophy 
> > > wasn't there any longer... so I left...
> > > But as Mrs. W. Kingsland asserts in his "open letter to annie 
> > besant" 
> > > one can be a theosophist whithout being a member, right?! =)
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Vladimir <forums@s...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Thursday, March 3, 2005, 8:35:38 PM, Alaya wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > is everyone here a member of the T.S???
> > > > 
> > > > Are you? :)
> > > > I'm not.