Theos-Talk Archives (March 2005 Message tt00047)

John,

I appreciate your opinions and interpretations of Pi with respect to the 
"perfect circle." However, we must understand that Pi is not an exact measurement 
of length, such as the radius or the circumference of a circle, but is simply 
the mathematical ratio between those measurements. And, therefore, it has 
nothing do with the size or perfection of any manifest circle capable of being 
measured... 

Yet, Pi must be rooted, as HPB pointed out, in the immeasurable circle of the 
spinergy, or "abstract motion" surrounding the zero-point of absolute 
stillness and emptiness that is the root of all the fundamental laws of cycles and 
periodicity that governs all karma, phenomenal action, and manifest motion. 

Incidentally, the measurement of any great circle around a drop of water (or 
any liquid) floating in free fall in empty space is a "perfect" circle. It's 
interesting that perfectly spherical ball bearings are manufacture by rolling 
the molten metal down a curved chute that allows the ball to solidify after it 
flies out in free fall like a ski jumper. 

Your description of the physical reality that forces all planetary and solar 
motions or bodies that circle each other to be in the form of spirals, is also 
quite correct. This linear motion is related to the evolution of all things 
which proceeds along spiral and vortical lines due to attractive and repulsive 
forces that exist between all material bodies -- since, such bodies are 
nothing more than twists in the force web of manifest space that links them all 
together. This manifest, metric or "directional motion" (represented as lines of 
force), however, has nothing to do with the non linear or "abstract motion" 
of Absolute unconditioned Space that is the causeless cause or rootless root of 
all conditioned space (fields of electrical energy). That abstract motion 
must be in the form of an endless and beginningless Mobius-like spiral vortex 
circular (or cyclic) loop. For a humorous (if not vague:-) idea of how this 
must look if imagined to be extended linearly or directionally, see:
http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/BuddhaBabyGordianKnot.gif 

As for the Absolute and its relation to motion as the root of force, It is an 
occult fact that there cannot be any state prior to manifestation that, in 
its ultimate essence, does not contain pure "abstract motion." HPB said that 
the Absolute, while completely unknown and empty or all attributes, is full of 
aspects or potentialities... And that these potentialities must stem from its 
abstract motion that can never cease to be. The Buddha confirmed this when he 
said, "Nothing comes from nothing." 

Therefore, such abstract motion, as the rootless root of all manifest 
energies that make up phenomenal or substantial matter, can only be envisioned as 
circular or angular momentum or primal G-force. The Pi ratio, then, must be 
inherent in that motion which can only be circling perfectly around the 
zero-point. In other words, the zero-point can only be imagined as a perfect globe 
shrinking down to its center -- which can only be the empty or Absolute void 
itself. 

The only way this relationship can be comprehended, is to consider the 
unmoving Absolute as the zero-point of pure consciousness (which is the only non 
thing that could be the divine source of "I AM THAT I AM")... And to consider its 
angular momentum as the "spinergy" or G-force that is the root of all forces 
and energies on all manifest coadunate but not consubstantial "fields" of 
consciousness. Thus, this "spinergy" is the Akashic record, which is 
conditionally separate from the Absolute zero-point... And that, eventually, after 
emanation, becomes Mulaprakriti, and then Perusha and Prakriti -- which ultimately 
involve to form the primal triple field monad (like twin bubbles with in a 
bubble) that is the basis of Atma, Buddhi, Manas, etc. ... Each with their own zero 
point centers of consciousness around which their force fields (as perfect Pi 
ratio spheres of energy) revolve.

Of course all that applies only to the ideal higher planes... While, in 
physical Nature (that evolves on the surfaces of the primal fields) there is no 
such thing as a perfect circle -- since the formation of the universe and all the 
"beings" in it requires the interference's of the vibrational force patterns 
of the primal fields -- which results in the breaking of the initial 
symmetries.

Best wishes,

Leonardo 






In a message dated 01/20/05 6:30:16 PM, samblo@cs.com writes:

Leon,
Thanks for your comments as always. I use the expression "energy creation" 
as an alternate to the creation that begins with appearance of Mulaprakriti 
which as I now recall my comments of an earlier post T. S. Rao in one of his 
papers online describes as the view of the Logos when the Logos views as 
perception the Absolute and is the root illusion as it is then once removed 
from the 
Absolute and is the "veil" that enables the apparency of a creation to begin 
to come into a form of perceptive appearance. you always are certain to 
mention 
"motion" and motion moderates and mediates impermanance and imperfection is 
viz the energy creation in it's downword cascading presentments of 
perception. 
The sun's light takes 510 seconds to reach our eye on earth so the sun is not 
where we perceive it but actually 95,014,530 miles further west on the plane 
of the ecliptic, this is equal to 109.97052 Solar Diameters of 864,000 miles, 
none of us has ever really seen the actual sun rise or set where it actually 
is. Although we describe the earth as in orbit around the sun the orbit is 
never 
a closed circle but a serpentine spiral, the sun also follows a similar 
motion. the nucleus of atoms are in motion and the electrons in orbot around 
them 
also are in a serpentine capture not closed circles. the Sine of the planets, 
sun, moon all are not closed circles but only appear to be.
When I was in grade school in Chicago I had a math teacher named Mr. 
Tomich and he said PI was an infinite number then. I guess my view is based 
on what 
he and what I have read in the years since that accounts for my viewpoint. I 
am not a Mathematician, beleive me, it is one of my failings in this life. 
But 
trying to answer your question about a purist mathematical circle it seems 
they would use "Pi" formula to arrive and due to Pi never reaching an end to 
it's decimal value it cannot be a perfect mathematical Circle because Pi 
cannot 
be perfected just because the infinitesemal amount that Pi decimal value is 
incomplete of a final decimal value. 

As in term of the Absolute Absolute there are no circles to found in my 
personal view, the zero point of which I have little actual mathematical 
skill 
in regard to seems to me to be perceptually outside the Absolute and must 
therefore be in the subtle realm of Mulaprakriti serving much in the way that 
Buddhic Principle acts as the intermediary vehicle functionally, again 
remembering 
that there is motion and it is the motion that mediates the point that begins 
to extend as line but then is mediated by motion to become the curve, the 
curve become the spiral but circles are unclosed due to motion,time, vectors, 
yet 
have the analog of circle to our mindedness. By the "first and smallest 
expansion of any line" where is it found? within the Absolute or without of 
the 
Absolute in your view? My view is as I stated above and due to that even the 
most 
minute motion is of the nature of impernanace and imperfection becuase it is 
removed from the ture Home of Being.

John