Theos-Talk Archives (March 2005 Message tt00002)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "W.Dallas TenBroeck" 
<dalval14@e...> wrote:
Here you put a point A real important point.


In theosophy we have the leadbeater version.
In psychological(technical) teachings Motoyama
Neurological investigation, much more is done as well as in America 
as in our country.

Dangerous things allways happened if incapable people get to use this.
But there have visit the market too much of that stuff.

Anodea Judith, etc

You would not believe what I have seen in our Hospital, where I have 
worked for 25 years.
And what I have seen in bookstores and by publishers.
Mistakes and wrong expression of the work, but as you should know all 
is material and selfish on that grade.
I shall not tell you what kind of stuff the Alternatives bring on the 
market Angle,Cosmic remedies and all for the purification and not 
without mentioning the masters they use for making that also with un 
pure people, what kind of touch will be in that products? I know!
I have seen idiots (people incapable) working with that!!!
As you know if your brains and heart sitting on the places were they 
belongs to sit, not every Surgeon can work with Laser to operate 
with.Therefore you need people with very special qualities and in a 
optimal condition; otherwise they make more deaths than to cure the 
people. 
Also there needs to be an equillibrium not only from manas to heart, 
but even in the brains the left and right parts need to be in BALANCE
FIRST!!at ALL!!!!!!!!!

And in our coutry, oke the allopathy is not the best way ( we needs 
the way of Hippocrates), but the alternatives as it is working now.
Every "Idiot"can start his own business here.
Makes my blood overcooking!!!
If I go to write a book! The Greatest bestseller you ever have seen.
But I should be stupid to do that.Better in my personal MIND Computer.

And where I see people misusing the Knowledge I am a TIGER for sure 
to make work of it to stop them, where I can.Because I am not 
everywhere at the same time it will not be easy.
Publishing is the same mistake as the give a little child a gun, 
better to give him a gum by making drawings.

So now I go to my cappucino

Greetings Christina





> Why is it that THEOSOPHY does not deal immediately with information 
about
> the "chakras?"
They must stop to publish!!!!
But allready have done this! 
>
> their cause, or the reason for investigation. 
> 
> Some aspects of ancient Hindu learning on psychology have been 
found and
> translated -- but they are designed to throw readers off the real 
inner
> spiritual track into psychism and its curious dead ends. They do 
not give
> any hint about the ideal or the universal and impersonal operations 
of the
> spiritual side of life and Nature as a whole. 
> 
> They do not show, for instance, that a knowledge that we are all 
IMMORTALS
> living together under a uniform benevolent and fair law -- KARMA - 
makes for
> a cooperative and conjoined progress - towards a GOAL we all share :
> PERFECTION. 
> 
> They only focus on the physical and selfish powers that some 
acquire in
> order to dominate over others - and lasts, as a condition, for a 
single life
> - until death mercifully terminates the torture. 
> 
> Look at this long and deeply, and carry out your thought, power of 
logic,
> and imagination to the ultimate end -- which, for you and me, and 
others
> -- is WHAT ? 
> 
> Is it: Immortality of the imperishable INDIVIDUALITY, or, the 
effacement of
> a personality that has failed to make the connection with their 
HIGHER SELF
> effective and a matter of daily reference? 
> 
> Why are we all in the same condition and either helping or 
hindering each
> other ? 
> 
> The primary thought to keep in front of us, (as I see it) is the 
sacrifice
> made by the SPIRITUAL DIVINE SELF (Atma-Buddhi-Manas) in 
incarnating into
> our physical environment. 
> 
> It does this, not for itself, but to assist the "monads of lesser
> development" to raise themselves individually and also eventually,
> collectively, to the nature and stature of the Universally 
Resident, Inner
> "God." [To give you an idea of the importance of this read in the 
SECRET
> DOCTRINE I 207-210, II 1567, TRANSACTIONS OF THE BLAVATSKY 
LODGE. pp.
> 63-68).
> 
> Every night our Lower Manas in its aspirations has the opportunity 
of rising
> to consult with the Higher Manas (Buddhi-Manas and the HIGHER 
SELF -- the
> ATMA). 
> 
> It brings the memory of this back to waking consciousness, if, in 
our waking
> consciousness, we devote a regular time to study and learning about 
our own
> virtuous, spiritual potentials and capacities. For it is in our 
period of
> waking consciousness that we have to focus those virtues that are 
spiritual
> realities -- and as Kwan-Yin suggests make them "a living power in 
our
> lives." 
> 
> THEOSOPHY provides the rationale and the logic to make this quite 
plain to
> the honest and sincere waking and working lower mind -- that's the 
reason
> we study and try to grasp that which is within every man's reach. 
(If he
> will search for it, test it, and see if the application is 
impersonal and
> benevolent -- so he can adopt it for his own use.) 
> 
> The "chakras" are not dealt with in our early study because of this 
tendency
> to reduce everything in the human psyche and lower mind to material
> locations and physical bodily organs (or centers and meridians) . 
And there
> is among some, a great curiosity about these, without there being 
any
> definite object to acquiring such information -- and why should 
that be the
> case for some? 
> 
> Yes there are centers and meridians in the physical body. Ancient 
Indian
> and Chinese medicine knows these are effective and uses them pretty 
well for
> health reasons. Mesmer and Paracelsus taught and practised this 
knowledge
> in the West in historical times, but today, few medical men know or
> understand the MORAL IMPLICATIONS of such information. [As a result 
we are
> warned in THEOSOPHY of the evils of hypnotism.] 
> 
> But consider that the HEAD is the primary resting place in our 
physical
> environment of the CONTACT POINT of the INNER and REAL MAN with his 
physical
> vehicle. 
> 
> The body to put it briefly, exists only to support the head -- and
> particularly the BRAIN -- in which are certain centers made of 
specialized
> and sensitive "monads," (or "life-atoms and skandhas") -- 
peculiarly related
> to the spiritual thought and the moral and virtuous choices and 
behaviour of
> all humans. 
> 
> Such higher centers have on this physical plane corresponding 
centers of
> sensitivity. Their nature is not entirely clear to the 
physiologist. But
> they are known to regulate and affect health, both psychic and 
physical.
> Most have no clue as to the spiritual nature of man, and its 
purpose in
> incarnating into a body time after time. 
> 
> But these physical centers, when attuned by our SPIRITUAL WILL to 
the higher
> spiritual and moral MAN, cannot in any way be dissected or made to 
reveal
> anything of the inner nature of the INDIVIDUALITY (Atma-Buddhi-
Manas) 
> 
> What we all can learn in THEOSOPHY (and from "within" -- from our 
own HIGHER
> SELF) is the SPIRITUAL, universal and impersonal, benevolent and
> compassionate approach. That is (to me) important and supersedes 
any other.
> 
> Best wishes, 
> 
> Dallas
> 
> =======================
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Levey 
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 6:25 AM
> To: theosophia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [theosophia] Re: Theosophy and our times
> 
> 
> 
> Laura-
> 
> 
> I appreciate your reply to Dallas and myself about 
> the "Transitonal Age" we are in.
> 
> Regarding non-violence, humility and Spirituality in 
general 
> as the needs of democracy, I couldn't agree more. 
> 
> There seems to be a kind of rampant tendency towards violence in our
> cultures these days.
> 
> 
> To my mind it may be connected to a growing internal state of 
> frustration in the sense of a way to express outwardly, what has 
> become a condition of impotency within the minds of everyday folks.
> 
> 
> This is an impotency, where the outward conditions of the world 
seem 
> so uncontrollable by the everyday person, and I think that 
therefore 
> there is a feeling in which most folks feel as if they are helpless 
> in effecting the world scene. Of course, to a great extent this is 
> true. Once the 9/11 rabbit was out of the hat, and the country 
> responded the way it did, things have only escalated since.
> 
> The only way that it seems possible to put the 9/11 rabbit 
> back in the hat is through a humility of thought, word and deed on 
> the part of those in whom we have invested political 
responsibility, 
> on the one hand, and the powerful issuance of Theosophical ideation 
> on the other. 
> 
> People will have to admit to their Spiritual Nature as 
> a reality, before they will expect their political leaders to act 
> accodingly on their behalf. 
> 
> This is the work of the Theosophical 
> Movement. It must choose to find a way into the world of the very 
> people who neglect such a mental and moral position.
> 
> As far as Manas goes, if it appears to be an inactive organ, 
at 
> the moment, let us activate that which is active.
> 
> Steve
> 
> ==============================
> 
> --- In theosophia@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Levey" <sallev1@y...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > From Laura Grey-ULT in Victoria, Canada
> > 
> > Hi Steve 
> > 
> > I wish I had more time!
> > 
> > Your letter to Dallas came to me by way of his email response to 
> you.
> > 
> > An interesting observation on this period of the Transition, is 
in 
> > the collection of speeches by Vaclav Havel, called "The Art of 
the 
> > Impossible". It is well worth reading. Havel indicates that 
> > Democracy needs to evolve and embrace Spirituality, in order for 
> the 
> > world to take it seriously. He also indicated that evolution 
must 
> > happen from within the individuals of the world and this takes 
> time. 
> > It cannot be imposed from without (violence). This is what is 
> > missing from the western method of democracy, there is no 
> > humbleness. To me humbleness is the realization that truth is 
not 
> > in "me" or in a particular group, but Truth in inherent in each 
and 
> > all and must be realized by each and all from their own inner 
> > awakening. We cannot blast it into them, but as Havel indicates 
> > there are a few things we can do to add a little pressure. He 
uses 
> > the example of the equal rights movement.
> > 
> > In the past much of this kind of dialogue was accomplished in 
Manas 
> > Magazine. Maybe someone could take the Manas Reprints (effort 
by 
> > Dallas and others) and using past articles and new articles with 
> the 
> > events of the day make it a thought force once again. 
> > 
> > In a brief dialogue with Jane Jacobs she indicated to me that 
Manas 
> > Magazine could be a basis for a new kind of university, one that 
> > charged no tuition and offered no degree. The only true kind of 
> > University. Henry Gieger thought this was a good idea and 
offered 
> > the challenge.
> > 
> > Theosophy has so much to offer to us when we step out of the 
> > temporary and look at the patterns of the age. It helps us to 
> think 
> > and act in a non-separate way, which we as individuals, then 
apply 
> > to our daily interactions. During Theosophical Meetings it is 
best 
> > to reconnect with these Ideas, then when fueled with them, we 
move 
> > back out into our work, and efforts. The results of all this 
work 
> by 
> > students will be seen, but not necessarily by those same students.
> > 
> > Have a good day. 
> > 
> > Laura
> 
> ==================================
> > 
> > --- In theosophia@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Levey" <sallev1@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > Dal-Thank you for presenting what ULT has brought into our 
lives, 
> as
> > > it rekindles, really, the intent of the old Academys. I think 
that
> > > this must be seen as a powerful effect upon the mind of our 
day. I
> > > know that there have been other attempts at presenting music, 
> dance
> > > and poetry as the tools used to open the mind of students. 
> Guerdgief
> > > seems to have had this in mind, as portrayed in his "Meeting 
with
> > > Remarkable Men", but I think he went to extremes along with 
> > decidedly
> > > overlooking a classical sense of philisophical ethics. 
> > > Also, I believe Theosophical thought, through students of 
the 
> > ULT,
> > > was an open conduit for the Sufi writings of Rumi, which poetic 
> > beauty
> > > mixed with unerring, nearly Taoist thought, has hardly any 
equal 
> in
> > > our time. 
> > > But my questions remain. What has been the discernable 
effect 
> of
> > > these powerful "tools" to the mind of our time to those not
> > > consciously involved with Theosophic thought? And what has it 
to 
> do
> > > with this time being seen as a "Transition Period"? Does the 
> > violence,
> > > which is prevailant in all forms of media and in personal 
lives, 
> > have
> > > to do with these profoundly positive methods? Remember, Gandhi 
> > nearly
> > > gave up on Satyagraha or non-violence in action, because of the
> > > violence which erupted in the face of it in India. What can we 
> learn from this?
> > > 
> > > Steve