Theos-Talk Archives (February 2005 Message tt00702)

Very punctual Erica
We use to have a false image (almost romantic)of Lamas and the Orient
Dressing like a lama doenst' mean spiritual status
I totaly agrre with that
Dalai Lama is someone respectable. But he is not the head of budhist, 
he is not the most elevetades and he is not infaliable. 
There are things happening inside the gelugpa school which are very 
politic and problematic. And we usually don't hear about them.
I had the oportunity to talk personally with Gonsar Rinpoche, the 
head of Rabten CHoeling monastery in Switzerland, and tutor of young 
Rabten (reeincarnated) and young Trijang RInpoche. The previous 
trijang had been one of the most elevetad teachers the Dalai Lama had.
And you know what?! The 'new trijang' cut conections with the dalai 
lama.
well.. i thing we should not get into details
and this concerns the tibetan world and the gelugpa school 
politically, whe have nothing to do with that.
But we see Mahatma K.H speaking of the dangerof the dugpas. And 
between the Master and the Dalai, I definatelly would stay with the 
Master's word
Tenzin Gyatso is just a dedicated lama
not a bodhisatva

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Erica Letzerich <eletzerich@y...> 
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> What do you expect of Dalai Lama, of course his duty is to help 
Tibetans and that is independent of any line any Tibetan Buddhist may 
follow. The situation in Tibet was very difficult, in 1998 when I 
spend 6 months there, I meet many Tibetan refugees that just arrived 
in Nepal. One I mentioned in the previous e-mail, they have even 
created a secret Tibetan group providing passport and other documents 
for Tibetan refugees. The Tibetan language was abolished in Tibet 
where the official language in the schools for Tibetan children is 
Cantonese. Dalai Lama as a leader of the Tibetan people in exile has 
but the obligation to support his people independent of any Buddhist 
sect or line.
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> But that does not change the fact that the Bon practices are 
regarded as left hand practices. How could Dalai Lama to make any 
statement without causing more problems for his people and more 
divisions? By the way the major form of Tibetan Buddhism spread and 
divulgated can be questioned. Well it is not so difficult to 
understand that whatever is promoting left hand teachings is going to 
be easier accepted by the society and consequently will gather 
thousand of followers. Or do you think that a Lama just because has 
the status of a Lama is somebody that may have any spiritual status? 
Do you know how many Lamas I saw in Nepal wearing gold watches and 
jewellery and not only in USA as well how many Lamas are but making 
commerce of Buddhism? The lamas and the monks are forbidden to accept 
presents and money according to Buddha's teachings. Well that seems 
do not be a problem for many Tibetan Buddhists.
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> Well the world has not changed that much we are not more different 
than 1.000 years ago, the major difference is the advance of 
technology and information in major quantity circulating. Meanwhile 
dogmatism, conflicts of every kind, war etc still going on, Major 
changes can be seen when there will be also changes in the human 
nature and that needs quite long time to be something reflected in 
the society. Of course a better system would help also. 
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> Erica,
> Thanks for your comments and your posts in regard to HPB and her 
contents 
> about the Bon. Well, we have all read this I think, and due to our 
very 
> limited exposure and direct knowledge by personal investigation of 
what the Bon are 
> for ourselves, have been recipient by proxy of Radha's perception 
as she has 
> published it. But look at the real historical history of each of 
the Orders of 
> Tibet by reading a vast literature now available online that was 
not there for 
> all those people all these many years, and one finds real conflict 
with the 
> popularized version of Theosophy. I think it is important to rather 
than reject 
> out of hand any new valid history of all the elements of Tibetan 
Orders would 
> be to make a decision to remain fixated in a state of stasis of 
knowledge and 
> result in error from which one then operates from, and it a severe 
limitation 
> if one deigns to turn the eyes from the facts. Yes, as Madame 
Blavatsky 
> indicates sorcery and other repugnant practices were done in Tibet 
but that does 
> not mean that all Bon followed the same actions does it? Also 
sorcery was not 
> limited to the Bon, there were plenty of other sanctioned activity 
in the 
> history of the political struggles of the various Orders and the 
non-buddhist 
> shamans.
> As I indicated the present Dalai Lama is a direct Sponsor of the 
Bon, he 
> also has written the foreword in books on Bon Dzogchen. do you 
think he has 
> gone insane? let's be honest, blavatskys' S.D. is vast, who has 
personally 
> investigated all pertinent available information, literature, 
texts, Sutra's, 
> rituals, Dieties, Guardians, Dakini's, Monasterys, Kadampa, Kagyu, 
Sakya, Dolnangpa, 
> Gelugpa, Karmapa, and all Orders of Tibet including the Shamans in 
such depth 
> that all that in their possesion is known in fullness? Today the 
diaspora of 
> Tibetan Religionists is vast and the Dalai Lama through the 
government in 
> exile sponsors all of them, you can read this onlline ands ee for 
yourself. I 
> don't advocate magic, sorcery or any other negative practice or 
support the same 
> in any form but what is there today is not the same as was present 
in 1891. The 
> world has changed in major ways and many reformations have taken 
place in all 
> strata. It is up to Theosophists as well as common every day people 
to try to 
> assess the scene periodically and integrate change. This is 
especially 
> productive if new knowledge of importance has appeared where once 
one had to make 
> terribly difficult travel under onnerous conditions and in danger 
to receive it 
> and today all that is required of effective search onlline to 
update.
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> Best regards,
> John
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