Theos-Talk Archives (February 2005 Message tt00605)

Morton, I thank you for your comment and that you 
understood what the meaning of my arguments are 
(not the dead letter reading).

The good thing of this topic is that it turns out 
what the Zionists in theosophical circles think.
It seems they do not seek for truth as they have 
already found it.

For people like me which are still searching for 
the truth they seem to be in big advantage:
They have just to appeal to and rewrite the 
propaganda which is accepted by the exoteric 
masses.

They therefore have the easy position to pose as 
the good humans in contrast to inquirers and 
doubters of the exoteric maya like me.
Everytime the manipulated mass media picture is 
questioned they blame the inquirer as Nazi.
That means WWII, Hitler, Holocaust is a dogma and 
everyone who aks questions as to contradictions is 
a Nazi himself.
That is the fanatical view.

In the progressed Illuminati conspiracy in the EU 
they have much more advantage as every lie against 
Hitler is allowed and supported, every contrasting 
document and argument suppressed and historian and 
ordinary citizens persecuted. Over 80,000 citizens 
were sentenced by the thought police to have a not 
pc believe on Hitler etc. That are much more 
political persecuted persons as even the much 
dictatorial "democratic" "freedom" GDR has had in 
her ending phase of the mid 1980's!

As this is a theosophical and not a political list 
I never go into details which only can interest 
historians. But Theosophy stands also for truth 
and fights against corruption in governments and 
society. And this is the link to the Holocaust. 
Even if it had happened what you can read in the 
press and see on History channel, it is a crime to 
murder daily the soul of the German people with 
unerupted slanders around teh clock on all 
channels, in school and all newspapers.

What I demand is that the historical 
National -Socialism must not be excluded from 
historical research and that such researchers must 
not be persecuted, loose their job, imprisoned, 
murdered by assassination or car accident or 
labeled as Nazis, as the truth can't come out from 
prohibition, dogma, persecution.

Sane Jews like Raphael Seligmann support this 
view. He was publicly against the plans of a new, 
the biggest Holocaust Memorial in Berlin (one of 
over 50,000 in every town and every corner), he is 
against the prohibition of Hitler's book, which 
even in Israel is allowed to be printed and sold 
and in his new Hitler biography, which just 
appeared some weeks ago the words Holocaust or 
Shoa do not appear a single time.

Rabbi Michel Friedman of Vienna who presides a 
Thora true community of 1,000 Jews which oppose 
Zionism as an materialistic misuse of the 
spiritual meaning of the Thora, speaks only of the 
"so-called Holocaust".

Daniel, is Rabbi Friedman a "denier" according 
your world picture??

Daniel as you label Hitler as a "FIEND" (your 
caps), and you always quote HPB that contrast is 
important I wonder why you fail to add, what HPB 
student and editor Boris de Zirkoff says of 
Hitler:

"I'm sure Hitler was perfectly sincere, and so 
were a few others."
http://www.theos-world.com/archives/show.php?NAME=tw200006&PATH=txt&DESC=June%202000%20Issue

Quoted from Theosophy World June 2000.

Daniel, what do you say about another quote of 
BdeZ:

"We think of Adolph Hitler as a monster. Future 
historians will think otherwise."
http://www.theos-world.com/archives/show.php?NAME=tw200108&PATH=txt&DESC=XXXtwtw200108%20Issue

Quoted from Theosophy World August 2001.


Daniel, what do YOU say about the article "Hi 
Hitler" in the leading Swiss weekly Weltwoche of 
Juy 2004, where it is admitted that in all 
countries outside Western Europe and America the 
spirit of Hitler gets stronger and stronger with 
every decade and that most people in the world 
according to new research regard Hitler as a big 
liberator, a hero and give him even divine 
attributes, esp. in India where he is regarded 
even in school books as an Avatara, a divine 
messenger to protect the world against the kali 
yuga, to protect the civilization and culture 
against the plutocrats and for prosperty for the 
masses?
http://www.weltwoche.ch/artikel/?AssetID=8215&CategoryID=60

How does it come that left-winged, mainstream 
communistic foe writers like the Trimondis and 
others regard Hitler as an incarnation of Buddha? 
(Despite the fact that Hitler, who privately spoke 
acknowleding about Theosophy (which he distincted 
from the degenerated TS), always that he is not 
the predicted high initiate from Shabhala who will 
liberate Europe and debunk the debunkers (cp. SD 
III), but that he is only His humble precursor?

Daniel, as long as you are silent as to your 
motives and rationale I think that Morton is quite 
right when he warns you not to walk too much off 
the theosophical track.

I assume you are a Theosophist in the first line 
and not an Illuminati to take over the TS.

Best wishes from Berlin
Frank



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "M. Sufilight" 
<global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Hitler, Nazism, the 
Holocaust, Holocaust Denial, Anti-Semitism, & 
Neo-Nazism



Hallo Daniel and all,

My views are:

Just a few words so that we avoid clouding
the eternal teachings.

Daniel Caldwell wrote:
Personally, I regard Hitler as a FIEND. The 
dictionary defines a
fiend as "a devil; a demon; a person of great
wickedness or maliciousness."

My answer:
Now I can only talk from my personal experience -
but your words are not quite true.
We will have to remember, that we are all
children of this world of Be-ness and life.
- Even Hitler was and is such a member. I know 
that. -
So any talks about demons could easily cloud the
more true picture if we forget what I just have 
referred to
through my own knowledge about life and all.

Me and others deal with the devils.
And some of us are capeable of handling them very 
well,
so they mature into something good.

Take care Daniel.


sincerely
M. Sufilight with peace and love...



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" 
<danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 4:45 AM
Subject: Theos-World Hitler, Nazism, the 
Holocaust, Holocaust Denial,
Anti-Semitism, & Neo-Nazism


>
>
> Hitler, Nazism, the Holocaust,
> Holocaust Denial, Anti-Semitism, and Neo-Nazism
>
> Frank has written that ". . .HPB is regarded
> by some people as a forerunner of Hitler...."
>
> Unfortunately, Frank does NOT explain
> how and why these people would come to
> such a conclusion. Furthermore, Frank
> does NOT tell us whether he is of the
> same opinion, i.e., HPB was a forerunner
> of Hitler.
>
> As far as I can tell, HPB and Hitler are
> at opposite ends of the spectrum!
>
> What pray tell does Hitler have to do
> with HPB, the Mahatmas and Theosophy?
>
> Personally, I regard Hitler as a FIEND. The 
> dictionary defines a
> fiend as "a devil; a demon; a person of great
> wickedness or maliciousness."
>
> See HPB's article titled KARMIC VISIONS
> http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/KarmicVisions.htm
> where she writes:
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> A hideous dream detaches itself from a group of
> passing visions, and alights heavily on his 
> aching chest. The night-
> mare shows him men, expiring on the
> battle field with a curse on those who led them 
> to their
> destruction. Every pang
> in his own wasting body brings to him in dream 
> the recollection of
> pangs still
> worse, of pangs suffered through and for him. He 
> sees and feels the
> torture of
> the fallen millions, who die after long hours of 
> terrible mental and
> physical
> agony; who expire in forest and plain, in 
> stagnant ditches by the
> road-side, in
> pools of blood under a sky made black with 
> smoke. His eyes are once
> more
> rivetted to the torrents of blood, every drop of 
> which represents a
> tear of
> despair, a heart-rent cry, a life-long sorrow. 
> He hears again the
> thrilling
> sighs of desolation, and the shrill cries 
> ringing through mount,
> forest and
> valley. He sees the old mothers who have lost 
> the light of their
> souls;
> families, the hand that fed them. He beholds 
> widowed young wives
> thrown on
> the wide, cold world, and beggared orphans 
> wailing in the streets by
> the
> thousands. He finds the young daughters of his 
> bravest old soldiers
> exchanging
> their mourning garments for the gaudy frippery 
> of prostitution, and
> the Soul-Ego
> shudders in the sleeping Form. . . . His heart 
> is rent by the groans
> of the
> famished; his eyes blinded by the smoke of 
> burning hamlets, of homes
> destroyed,
> of towns and cities in smouldering ruins. . . .
>
> "What have they brought thee or to thy 
> fatherland, those bloody
> victories!"
> whispers the Soul in him. "A population clad in 
> iron armour," it
> replies. "Two
> score millions of men dead now to all spiritual 
> aspiration and Soul-
> life. A
> people, henceforth deaf to the peaceful voice of 
> the honest
> citizen's duty,
> averse to a life of peace, blind to the arts and 
> literature,
> indifferent to all
> but lucre and ambition. What is thy future 
> Kingdom, now? A legion of
> war-puppets
> as units, a great wild beast in their 
> collectivity. A beast that,
> like the sea
> yonder, slumbers gloomily now, but to fall with 
> the more fury on the
> first enemy
> that is indicated to it. Indicated, by whom? It 
> is as though a
> heartless, proud
> Fiend, assuming sudden authority, incarnate 
> Ambition and Power, had
> clutched
> with iron hand the minds of a whole country. By 
> what wicked
> enchantment has he
> brought the people back to those primeval days 
> of the nation when
> their
> ancestors, the yellow-haired Suevi, and the 
> treacherous Franks
> roamed about in their warlike spirit, thirsting 
> to kill, to decimate
> and
> subject each other? By what infernal powers has 
> this been
> accomplished? Yet the
> transformation has been produced and it is as 
> undeniable as the fact
> that alone
> the Fiend rejoices and boasts of the 
> transformation effected. The
> whole world is
> hushed in breathless expectation. Not a wife or 
> mother, but is
> haunted in her
> dreams by the black and ominous storm-cloud that 
> overhangs the whole
> of Europe.
> The cloud is approaching. . . . . .It comes 
> nearer and nearer Oh woe
> and horror!
> I foresee once more for earth the suffering I 
> have already
> witnessed. I read the
> fatal destiny upon the brow of the flower of 
> Europe's youth. . . .
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------\
> -----------------
>
> Below are some links to informative articles on 
> Hitler and related
> subjects.
>
> Adolf Hitler
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler
>
> Nazism
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi
>
> Nazi Germany
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany
>
> Racial policy of Nazi Germany
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_policy_of_Nazi_Germany
>
>
> Holocaust
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust
>
> Extermination camps
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp
>
> Auschwitz concentration camp
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp#Criticisms
>
> Nuremberg Trials
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Trials
>
> Holocaust denial
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial
>
> Jews
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews
>
>
> Anti-Semitism
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semitism
>
> Neo-Nazism
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
> Daniel H. Caldwell
> BLAVATSKY STUDY CENTER/BLAVATSKY ARCHIVES
> http://blavatskyarchives.com/introduction.htm
>
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> their right value; and unless a judge compares 
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> decision."
> H.P. Blavatsky. The Theosophist, July, 1881, p. 
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