Theos-Talk Archives (February 2005 Message tt00548)

DEAR ERICA
IN RESPONSE,
AND NOTHING PERSONAL INTENDED, IT IS JUST A PHILOSOPHICAL DIFFERENCE AND I AM SHOWING THE ARGUMENT FROM MY SIDE.
CASS

Erica Letzerich <eletzerich@yahoo.com> wrote:



Krishnamurti teachings helped in a great level the T.S. to be free of the astralism Leadbeater was promoting. To use the crisis Krishnamurti had when he lost his brother as a parameter to measure his level of knowledge is butcruel. What materialist would speak about immortality? 

CASS; AND YES, BUT WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT THERE IS NO ASTRAL, THERE IS NO NOTHING OUTSIDE OF YOU, THE PERSONAL i.

“I say there is immortality, immortality which transcends all our conceptions, theories, and beliefs.” Life After Death - Krishnamurti 

CASS; BUT DID HE BOTHER TO TELL US ABOUT IT? OBVIOUSLY IF YOU KNOW THERE ISIMMORTALITY, YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED IT, SO WHY NOT PASS THIS KNOWLEDGE ON TOTHOSE WHO HAVENT. NO HE SAYS IT TRANSCENDS ALL YOUR CONCEPTIONS SO THEREFORE DONT EVEN TRY.





“Extrasensory perception, clairvoyance, occult powers, cannot free thought from confusion and misery; sensitive awareness of our thoughts and motives, from which spring our speech and action, is the beginning of lasting understanding and love. Mere self-control, discipline, self-punishment, or renunciation, cannot liberate thought; but constant awareness and pliability give clarity and strength. Only in becoming aware of the cause of ignorance,in understanding the process of craving and its dual opposing values, is there freedom from suffering. This discerning awareness must begin in our life of relationship with things, people, and ideas, with our own hidden thoughts and daily action.”

CASS; HIS TEACHINGS MISFIRED FOR ME BECAUSE HE NEVER SPOKE ON WHAT WAS BEYOND THE CONSCIOUS I, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE AWARENESS OF ITS OPERATIONS,HE THEN CAME UPWITH SOME SPLISHY SPLASHY THING ABOUT HOW THOUGHT CANNOT OPERATE OUTSIDE OF ELSE, SO NO POINT IN ENQUIRING INTO ANYTHING BEYOND THE LOWER MIND.

 

 



Krishnamurti



It seems strange a materialist to admit such powers as the ones mentioned above and to speak about immortality. His teachings are in a great level a call to self knowledge free of any superstition, and this seems to be the very step to be taken in the path of occultism. His teachings are basic of buddhic nature and do not contradict theosophy. Of course everyone has the right to defend its own point of view, for some Krishnamurti is a materialist, for others krishnamurrti contradict the teachings of Blavatsky for othersKrishnamurti was an avatar etc. But truth independent of personal opinionsis that Krishnamurti was a great inquirer.

CASS; AND A GURU



"We have invented GOD. The thinking created god for itself. That means due to unhappiness, fear and depression we created something called god. God did not create us after his imagination, I wish He had.” 

CASS; WE DIDNT INVENT GOD, HE INVENTED US.

Krishnamurti



‘ GOD is invented by man. I am sure that you won’t like this. But you are attached to that concept: God exists.’

Krishnamurti



“Neither our philosophy nor ourselves believe in a God”

Mahatma M.



“Our God is humanity and our cult love to humanity”

K.H.





Erica Letzerich


Konstantin Zaitzev wrote:

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "christinaleestemaker" wrote:

> I think All is working through the brain.
> Only the ways to the brain are different, o you call the higher 
> mind the mind-brain entlightenend with the working Ajna(6 st sense) 
chakra 

> And I am sure Krisnamurti would have know that.

He might have HEARD that but probably he didn't KNEW.
For instance, he probably heard about life after death, but the fact 
that he was so distressed by the death of his brother proves that he 
had only theoretical knowledge, if he had any. Maybe those 
pumpkin-heads which were around him in "Order of the star" didn't 
guess that they could show to the "World teacher" one of those 
booklets like "To those who mourn" which were kept in tons in 
theosophical bookstores then. Whatever he have taught, he was 
materialistic inside, even then. Some think that he taught vedanta or 
so-called monism. Well, if one believes in one matter and nothing 
beyong it, he may call it "monism", because only one element is 
admitted, but it is no other than gross materialism. And it wasn't 
advaita-vedanta neither.
«Human beings, out of their fear, invented god. And they tried to 
reach god, which is the ultimate principle, in India it is called 
Brahman, the ultimate principle». (Krishnamurti on meditation)
http://www.krishnamurtiaustralia.org/articles/meditation%201.htm
He obviously saw no distinction between brahman and god, so he not 
only didn't taught vedanta, but probably didn't know anything about 
it.
In later period he says more openly in favour of materialism:

«Thought is mechanical, as is the organism». (Krishnamurti on 
meditation)

David Bohm writes:
«Through close attention to and observation of this activity of 
thought, Krishnamurti feels that he directly perceives that thought is 
a material process, which is going on inside of the human being in the 
brain and nervous system as a whole».
(A Brief Introduction to the Work of Krishnamurti)
http://www.ratical.org/many_worlds/K/K1.html#BohmIntro2K

So both me and Bohm have understood Krishnamurti the same way, and the 
russian translations from which I have read that brain creates thought 
were probably correct. Though Bohm is a scientist, in his 
conversations with Krishnamurti he is comparatively less materialistic 
and shows himself rather as an occultist while Krishnamurti rather as 
a materialist.







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