Theos-Talk Archives (February 2005 Message tt00311)

Feb 12 2005

RE: T S HISTORY -- THE JUDGE CASE 

Thanks and noted Frank

Best wishes as always,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Reitemeyer [mailto:ringding777@t-online.de] 
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 6:53 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: RE: T S HISTORY -- THE JUDGE CASE 
hate Leadbeater? mind realms!



Well said, Dallas.

Ernest Pelletier's --THE JUDGE CASE --
is really a gold mine of information.

In addition:

Although Olcott lost clear course after 1891 he 
was always supported by Judge.

Even when Olcott had resigned PTS after Besant's 
intrigues it was Judge who convinced him to resume 
office.

Olcott had no legal rights to cancel the American 
section.

The exoteric HQ in Adyar was paid by the NY 
esoteric HQ under Judge.

When the American Section claimed autonomy from 
the exoteric HQ it was Olcott who blamed the over 
90% American theosophists which followed Judge as 
"secessionists".

A big maya.

In reality it was Besant, Chakravarti, 
Leadbeater, Mead, Sinnett and Olcott which 
abandoned from the TS.

That they still continued to name their 
secessionists body a "TS" does not alter the fact 
that the spirit has gone and has never returned to 
Adyar. Spiritually they are as dead as a mouse as 
we say.

Frank


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "W.Dallas TenBroeck" 
<dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 3:17 PM
Subject: RE: Theos-World Re: hate Leadbeater? mind 
realms!



FRB 10 2005

Dear K

If you are going to try to rewrite Theosophical history then do familiarize
yourself with the documentary based history:

The THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT (1875-1950)

If you wish to develop opinions, then in my opinion, they have to at least
dovetail with the facts already recorded.

It was Olcott, and not Judge that caused the split in the THEOSOPHICAL
SOCIETY. That is made quite clear there. It was Olcott who excommunicated
the whole American Section of nearly 3.000 members. The largest section in
the THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY at that time (1895)..

Have you scrutinized the documents reproduced in

THE JUDGE CASE 


by Mr E. Pelletier
Edmonton THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY
December 2004

Best wishes

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Konstantin Zaitzev 
[mailto:kay_ziatz@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 4:50 AM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Theos-World Re: hate Leadbeater? mind 
realms!



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" 
<krishtar_a@b...> wrote:

> He started it all, he started the division.
> The worst of all IMO is that he dragged Annie B. 
> to his
inclinations,
> a woman of great promise.

Pardon me, but even if all you wrote were true, it 
was W.Q. Judge who
is responsible for the first split of the 
theosophical movement. As
far I know, he wasn't expelled but has himself 
divided the Society.
Other numerous splits were just the echoes of the 
first and main one.
If Besant, Olcott and Leadbeater were wrong, he 
could say that they
are wrong, they are fools, they are villains and 
black magicians, and
maybe they would even hate him for that and expel 
him, but no one
could accuse him in split. In Buddhism the split 
of the sangha is
regarded as one of the greatest falls, and it far 
overweights all the
sins of the other side, real and imaginary, 
whatever they could be.
This principle is quite applicable to the TS, for 
the brotherhood is
its first object while other objects are 
subsidiary.

Remember that Leadbeater didn't held any important 
office in the
Theosophical Society. The difference of opinion 
and preaching wrong
teaching is not a sin at all. To accuse people in 
that is just
ridiculous for those who call themselves 
theosophists.