Theos-Talk Archives (February 2005 Message tt00111)

Dear Murray
I guess it is a wait and see for ourselves thing. I certainly hope not, as I have said in the past, my mum will be waiting for me arms crossed, saying all that money on fetta and kalamata olives!

Cass

Murray Stentiford <opt-mas@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:

Hi Cass

I've been occupied with other things for a while, but would still like to 
respond to your message:

>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:39:57 -0800 (PST) you wrote:
>Thanks a lot Murray, I will take a look at the sights. I am a little 
>perplexed as Theosophy teaches that once the soul arrives in Kamaloka and 
>Devachan, the soul is in a subjective reflective state and cannot contact 
>anyone or anything outside of this internalised state. Does this then 
>mean, that at the point of death, this subjective state awakens at the 
>point of carnal death and somehow projects images of those entities that 
>it loved while in the flesh. In other words, it is not actually family 
>members telling the person to return to life to finish some work or other, 
>but the NDE's personal higher self, almost masquerading as familiar family 
>faces, to tell the person to return to life to finish something left 
>undone. Would appreciate any other thoughts on this.

The overall impression I have gained from different sources is that 
communication is difficult but not impossible with those left behind on the 
physical plane. It is more likely to happen if the person on earth is not 
in the throes of grief or other turbulent emotion, and lifts the "tone" or 
spiritual level of their thoughts to a quality of universality and joy, ie 
they reduce the "vibratory" gap between their consciousness and that of the 
deceased person. Sometimes there can be communication in a dream, though it 
is hard to be certain about its origin. I would be inclined to believe a 
strong, loving and, perhaps, surprising interchange or vision in a dream.

That's quite a subtle question, about the projection of images. One thing 
we know, is that at these levels, the hard boundaries between things and 
beings, that we are used to in the physical world, are not as hard and fast 
on the inner levels. The distinctions between "my" self and "your" self get 
more blurred as we go higher in the scale of consciousness towards the Root 
of all consciousness. That's what Unity consciousness is all about - the 
deeply-experienced oneness with all life or another being.

I'm inclined to think that the consciousness of a long-dead person can 
gather around itself a more dense temporary energy body in order to 
manifest to a newly-dead person. I have heard of a few cases where a dying 
person has seen a long-unseen person come to greet them, when the dying 
person didn't know the greeter had died. That would go along with the idea 
that the vision was of a different entity rather than a mere projection of 
their own. It sure pays to keep an open mind on this stuff.

Best wishes
Murray


>----- Original Message -----
>From: Murray Stentiford
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:22 AM
>Subject: Theos-World Being greeted at death - was Re: Anand and Pedro Pt.1
>
>Cass,
>
>There is a growing mountain of information and evidence relating to near-
>and after-death states coming from a number of quarters today,

[etc]





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