Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt01100)

Dear Perry
Thank you for the referral. I have read the article and I am still confused as the article states that Jesus was an historical figure Regarding Jesus' mission, she writes: 
The motive of Jesus was evidently like that of Gautama-Buddha, to benefit humanity at large by producing a religious reform which should give it a religion of pure ethics . . . 
Whether or not he was an avatar only Buddha and He will know.

Cass

Perry Coles <perrycoles@yahoo.com> wrote:


Jesus is a deified personification of the glorified type of the great Hierophants of the Temples, and his story, as told in the New Testament, is an allegory, assuredly containing profound esoteric truths, but still an allegory. . . . Every act of the Jesus of the New Testament, every word attributed to him, every event related of him during the three years of the mission he is said to have accomplished, rests on the programme of the Cycle of Initiation, a cycle founded on the Precession of the Equinoxes and the Signs of the Zodiac. [3] 

Theosophical writers such as H.P. Blavatsky and G. de Purucker, on the other hand, insist that there was a historical Jesus who lived around 100 BCE, on whom the gospel Jesus is partly based, and they give credence to the Talmudic tradition [5]. Blavatsky writes: 

However cautious one ought to be in accepting anything about Jesus from Jewish sources, it must be confessed that in some things they seem to be more correct in their statements (whenever their direct interests in stating facts is not concerned) than our good but too jealous [Church] Fathers. [6] 

According to Blavatsky, the Essenes were 'the converts of Buddhist missionaries who had overrun Egypt, Greece, and even Judea at one time, since the reign of Asoka' (mid-3rd century BCE) [4]. She states that although Jesus was a pupil of the Essenes, he was not a strict Essene as he disagreed with his early teachers on several questions of formal observance. 

[T]he Nazarene Reformer, after having received his education in their [the Essenes'] dwellings in the desert, and been duly initiated into the Mysteries, preferred the free and independent life of a wandering Nazaria, and so separated or inazarenized himself from them, thus becoming a travelling Therapeute, a Nazaria, a healer. [5] 

She describes the Nazars as 'a class of Chaldean initiates' and 'kabalistic gnostics' [6]. Regarding Jesus' mission, she writes: 

The motive of Jesus was evidently like that of Gautama-Buddha, to benefit humanity at large by producing a religious reform which should give it a religion of pure ethics . . . 
In his immense and unselfish love for humanity, he considers it unjust to deprive the many of the results of the knowledge acquired by the few. This result he accordingly preaches -- the unity of a spiritual God, whose temple is within each of us, and in whom we live as He lives in us -- in spirit. [7] 

In theosophical literature, Jesus is said to have been the avatara for the Piscean Age, the age which is now closing as we enter the Aquarian Age [14]. Significantly, the Jesus story contains a great deal of fish imagery. The apostles were known as 'fishers of men'. The early Christians called themselves 'little fishes', and used the Greek word ichthys ('fish') as a code word for Jesus, as it was seen as an acronym for 'Jesus Christ, Son of God, Saviour'. In John's Gospel, Jesus miraculously helps his disciples land a large catch of 153 fish. 153 is a sacred number associated with the vesica piscis or 'vessel of the fish', an ancient Pythagorean symbol used by early Christians to represent their faith [15].

Purucker says that Jesus 'came at a time of a downwards-running cycle in order to sow some seeds at least of spiritual light, preceding a time which was going to be spiritually dark'. His mission quickly proved to be a failure, because although the cyclic time for an avatara had come, everything was working against the spiritual forces for which he opened the way, and within less than a hundred years the teachings that he had left behind had degenerated [16]. For instance, the doctrines of reincarnation and karma were replaced by the irrational and unjust dogma that belief in Jesus is sufficient to absolve us of all our sins and secure us an eternity of heavenly bliss, while unbelievers will suffer eternal torment in hell.

all the civilized portion of the Pagans who knew of Jesus honored him as a philosopher, an adept whom they placed on the same level with Pythagoras and Apollonius. . . . As an incarnated God there is no single record of him on this earth capable of withstanding the critical examination of science; as one of the greatest reformers, an inveterate enemy of every theological dogmatism, a persecutor of bigotry, a teacher of one of the most sublime codes of ethics, Jesus is one of the grandest and most clearly-defined figures on the panorama of human history. His age may, with every day, be receding farther and farther back into the gloomy and hazy mists of the past; and his theology -- based on human fancy and supported by untenable dogmas may, nay, must with every day lose more of its unmerited prestige; alone the grand figure of the philosopher and moral reformer instead of growing paler will become with every century more pronounced and more clearly defined. It will reign supreme and
universal only on that day when the whole of humanity recognizes but one father -- the UNKNOWN ONE above -- and one brother -- the whole of mankind below. [20] 









Perry



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote:
> Dear Perry
> Do you believe that Jesus the man was a fabrication by the founding 
members of Christianity to validate its teachings, in other words, no 
teacher, no new teachings? This is now running parallel with HPB and 
the masters?
> Cass
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> Perry Coles 
wrote:
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> Hi Cass,
> I personally have my doubts that Jesus the man even existed most of
> the events in his life seem to be the retelling of old mythical 
stories.
> 
> As to him being the vehicle for Maitreya for 3 years personally I
> don't believe it.
> I can accept the idea of Avatars in principle but am weary of
> accepting any pat statements on this the way CWL, Annie Besant and
> Alice Bailey were prone to make on these areas including rays and
> initiations ect.
> 
> Academia is really shattering a lot of the past presumptions
> concerning early Christianity now especially after the finding of 
the
> Dead Sea scrolls but I find all the theories are interesting and who
> knows maybe `Jesus' did exist but in the end really I don't know.
> 
> HPB had many things to say about Jesus and Paul but she may have 
been
> wrong as well.
> 
> Its interesting though how a lot of her comments on early 
Christianity
> seem to be backed up by the modern findings at least as far as I can
> see at this stage.
> Isis Unveiled v.II is very interesting to have a read of this 
subject.
> 
> Cheers
> Perry
> 
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> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote:
> > Dear Perry
> > My understanding of the Lord Maitreya is that it is pure spirit, 
and
> only incarnates for a few years in a body. The body of Jesus was 
used
> (his spiritual faculties held in abeyance) by Maitreya for 3 years,
> from Jesus' age of 30 to 33. These years were used by Maitreya to
> bring a new understanding of religion to mankind. I believe CWL and 
AB
> believed that Krishnamurti would be the body that Maitreya would 
use,
> hence the need for purity at all levels. So I do not see how the 
Lord
> Maitreya would have been available to edit something as trivial as
> this. Maitreya has taken the 7th initiation and is line with a Manu
> of a new race. My teachings say 
> > Silent Watcher 10th initiation
> > Lord of the World 9th initiation
> > Pratyeka Buddah 8th initiation
> > Manu 7th initiation
> > Chohan 6th initiation
> > 
> > I personally have problems with the Masters editing anything at a
> physical level. Why do this when they can source the information
> directly from the mind? My gut instinct tells me that some
> theosophists chose to namedrop the Masters to validate the new 
teachings.
> > 
> > I also have problems with the Masters, sending letters to students
> to advise them that they have been accepted as a disciple or a 
Chela's
> of a certain Master. My belief is that when the student is ready the
> Master is there, and that instruction can be given when we are out 
of
> our bodies, e.g. in sleep. The necessity to be in their presence is
> only required when the pupil has acquired a certain level on the 
path.
> > 
> > Some theosophists have made of the Masters, super-human men. The
> Masters have spiritual work to do in the world and I cannot see why
> they would spend their time writing to their disciples. HPB was
> insistent that her teachings came from a higher source than herself,
> and in order to validate this, reference to them was necessary, but
> that the masters would spend the last 100 years appearing and
> channelling their teachings through others, to me, is absurd.
> > 
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> > Perry Coles 
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> > "Therefore I took the typewritten copy which I had made to the 
Master
> > Kuthumi and asked Him to be so kind as to read it over. He read 
it,
> > altered a word or two here and there, added some connecting and
> > explanatory notes and a few other sentences which I remembered 
having
> > heard Him speak to Mr. Krishnamurti. Then He said: "Yes, that 
seems
> > correct; that will do" ; but He added : "let us show it to the 
Lord
> > Maitreya." And so we went together,"
> > 
> > Masters & the Path p.175
> > 
> > Notice how the Master read over & "CORRECTED" this manuscript and 
then
> > showed it to the "Lord Maitreya" as well.
> > 
> > Why would the Mahatma's not have pointed out to Leadbeater(whom he
> > claims to be in such close personal contact with) that the 
teachings
> > he was puting in his textbooks and manuals as being the teachings 
of
> > the Adept Brotherhood actually didn't match with their own?
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