Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt00852)

Dear Dennis
Can you explain to me please your point in men having to express their bladders more frequently than women - men taking communal showers - I saw nothing obscure in this, accept your analogy. 

Communal showers are still common practice in Australia especially with our Footballers, private school boys, our defence forces, etc etc. 

Women tend not to shower together because they are innately more modest than men, probably a throw back to the days when we were thought of as possessions of men.

You say, but the differences between the feelings of a particular sex is not much discussed, and I say, what is to discuss? 

You say, it is important to view the subject in a down to earth
fashion, divorced from the emotionalism that seems to be second nature
when discussing one with the attitudes from another time and place,
that are now frowned upon. I say that maybe there is a language barrier between us because I wasnt being emotional I was being funny, if you were Australian you would have seen the funny side of it. My apologies for using a colloquilism you were unfamiliar with.

As far as emotional dissapproval of CWL. I disapprove of CWL's behaviour as it is a barometer of his morality. As I have said frequently in the past on this issue, CWL, spiritually seduced souls and psychologically seduced young boys minds to believe the BS he said was a "divine introduction to the spiritual path".

Practically speaking after showering in the Navy, is it a natural progression to teach the young ensign sexual practices? A cynic like CWL would have said, it is natural and preferable to homosexual behaviour. I am speaking as CWL and not as Cass, I don't care who sleeps with who, provided both are consenting participants.

There is one area that we agree on and that is your penultimate paragraph. I believe CWL was seduced by his ego and usually that means the left hand path. i.e. When knowledge is used for the benefit of self.

Cass


Dennis Kier <dennw3k@earthlink.net> wrote:


Dennis:
I found a good definition for the term you asked about on google.com:
"'Taking a piss' means urinating; the phrase 'taking THE piss' means
subjecting someone to humiliation and ridicule."
This was from
1. http://www.freud.org.uk/taking_the_piss.html

Eldon

Thank You. I have never seen this expression before.
When I was in the Navy in the early 1950s, I met people from all over
the United States, and some of them had some unusual colloquialisms,
but I have never seen that one before.

So, if that is the question, the answer would have to be definitely
"NO".

I was trying to be informative, to shed light on an obscure subject
that she might not have been aware of. I feel that most of the men who
have gone through childhood and on into adulthood have pretty much
lived through all this, but the differences between the feelings of a
particular sex is not much discussed, in my experience.

I think it is important to view the subject in a down to earth
fashion, divorced from the emotionalism that seems to be second nature
when discussing one with the attitudes from another time and place,
that are now frowned upon.

And, another thing that I was wondering about, in a down to earth
manner, is the emotional disapproval of CWL, and the Boy Pupils in the
Australian Mansion, regarding their all using the bathroom at the same
time in the morning.

Looking back on my past experiences, all this emotionalism seems
strange, looked at in a practical manner. I have the book The Elder
Brother, and leafing through it, I do not see a floor plan for the
place, since this might explain some of these practices in a way.

I recall when I was in High School, that at the close of Gym Class,
all the boys would swarm to the Locker Room, take off all their
clothes, hit the shower, 15 or 20 naked boys at a time, use the
bathroom facilities, and the shower room. There were not individual
private showers, it was an about 9 foot by 12 foot room with 5 to 9
showers individually controlled. The boys would take their showers,
check each other out - out of the corner of our eyes, walk back to the
lockers, dry off, and put on civilian clothes, comb hair, and get
ready to go on to our next class.

As I recall, there was nothing "Sexual" about all this, and no one
viewed all this as a Great Moral Issue.

And then later, I was in the Navy, and on board small ships. Their
were about 20 to 30 in our sleeping compartment, and about 50 feet
away, down the corridor, was the bathroom. There was about 10 to 12
wash basins side by side, with mirrors above them, and AC outlets for
those with electric shavers. On the other side of the corridor, there
was a large open 9 by 12 room with about 10 showers, all in the open,
no individual stalls, and no one though that it was at all unusual. We
all got up at revile, and we had a limited time to get showered, and
dressed, and prepared for going to the mess hall for breakfast.

Everyone left our clothes behind, some took a towel with them, and
went to wash, shower, shave, fix hair and get ready for breakfast,
most of us being naked. Pretty much the same routine was in operation
at the end of the work, when in port, we would strip in the living
quarters, go to the shower, and wash, and prepare for going ashore on
Liberty. I am sure that no one thought of all this as a Great Negative
Moral Issue.

But with CWL and his pupils it is roundly criticized. So, in that
establishment in Australia, what was the floor plan? At what time did
they get up (arise in the morning)? How much time did they have to
prepare for breakfast, and/or the first classes? Did they have
individual rooms for the pupils, with each bedroom having its own
individual bathroom? -Or was there more limited space for everyone?

I recall the Boy Scout camping experience, where group activities took
place, including swimming without any swimming suits, washing, and
other activities with no thought about little or no clothes. So, what
is the big deal with CWL and the group bathing, with I assume limited
time till breakfast? How many commodes did they have in the room? I
assume that Mr. Leadbeater and his enema occupied one, so there must
have been more than one. How many wash basins?

And, with the tendency of teen age group horsing around with boys, I
can see the wisdom of having an adult monitor to keep that activity to
a minimum. With wet, slippery floors, and some horsing around, kids
could slip and fall, and injure themselves.

So, the question arises, what was the layout of the bathroom? How many
boys were there at any one time? How many showers or tubs were there?
How many wash basins were there, and mirrors? How much time did they
have from the time that they got up, and they had to be all cleaned
and combed, and dressed, and presentable in the dining room?

It has been my experience that "Sexuality" does not arise in such a
group, clothed or not. It was in a private room with only two people
present that questionable activity was likely to happen, like CWL in
bed naked with a naked boy that might arouse suspicion that something
unusual might happen.

But even then doubt might arise. One of the boys said something about
being in that position, and having his energy drained away. That sort
of suggests a bit of vampirism. Perhaps CWL felt energized when he
arose in the morning, with the boy feeling weak and lethargic. I would
have felt, in that case, that CWL would recognize that this was taking
place, and teach the sealing of the aura. He should have known about
that technique, and have his own sealed. If he was at all a decent
person, he would have not condoned the energy drain that that
testimony suggests. An old, run down person, can draw energy from a
young vital body, but I would feel that that practice would border on
the Black side of Occultism, and he, with his extended vision should
have been able to see the effects on a youngster in the morning. And,
I would guess that the Masters too, would have known that was going
on, but could they have stopped that without generating karma for
themselves?

But, perhaps that is enough speculating and questioning for this
afternoon.

Dennis

2.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Kier [mailto:dennw3k@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 10:39 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World judging the past by modern-day standards


Could you clarify your message? If this is clear in Australian, it is
not clear to me in American English.

Dennis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cass Silva" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 1:36 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World judging the past by modern-day standards


Dear Dennis
You taking the piss?





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