Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt00628)

Hello Perry, Paul, Kristar and all,

A family member is seriously ill, so I'm afraid that I can't afford to 
put much time into this interesting conversation. I would however, 
recommend Joseph Ross' "Krotona of Old Hollywood vol. II" which has the 
best collection of documents concerning this issue. He also tells me 
that more documents will be in the forth coming vol. III. In the mean 
time, I can make a few remarks that might clarify things a little:

Regarding the hostility towards Alice Evans and Foster Bailey, there 
seems to be several issues involved, but the one that directly led to 
their ousting from Krotona, Hollywood, was their campaign for a more 
democratic community. At the time, the ES authority overshadowed 
everything at Krotona in those days. The strain between the ES and TS 
interests, eventuated in their separation in 1926, when the TS moved its 
headquarters to Wheaton IL. and the ES to Ojai CA. Alice and Foster 
were not alone in their effort to democratize Krotona. I have here a 
letter from the late Astrologer, Dame Rudhyar, who was also at Krotona 
at the time, and was a student of B.P. Wadia. According to Rudhyar, 
both he and Wadia were supportive of Alice and Foster's efforts. 
However, Rudhyar also pointed out in the same letter that his support 
for AAB's cause did not necessarily mean support for their particular 
philosophical ideas. One of the fiercest opponents', and one of the 
people responsible for Alice and Foster's dismissal was L.W. Rogers. 

In Alice Bailey's Autobiography she also mentions resistance to her 
statements that she had also been in contact and was a disciple of KH, 
one of HPB's Masters. This, I think is another, but closely related 
issue. When she gave voice to this belief in the ES, a great deal of 
animosity was aroused. Keep in mind that the word in those days was 
that one became a disciple only through the ES--therefore AAB's remark 
indicating that she was under KH's guidance outside of the ES circles 
created the threat of a competitive situation. 

AAB also mentions receiving receiving ES papers but, the papers she 
received and used came from a source outside of the E.S.; a Richard 
Prater, who according to AAB, gave her a copy of the instructions to use 
as she liked. She did. AAB also mentions that she joined the ES in 1918, 
so one could argue that she was under a pledge, concerning ES material, 
regardless of where she received them. She also mentions in her 
Autobiography that the instructions she received from Prater matched the 
instructions which she had seen "elsewhere." This raises an ethical 
issue which might be worth a discussion in itself.

Beyond this, AAB's writings include teachings that can be found in ES 
material written between 1910 and 1920 (all of which would have been 
available to her). Her obligations concerning this material also raises 
interesting questions. On the other hand, if one believes AAB to be a 
disciple of KH, and a channeler of DK, one can say that while she may 
have seen the information first through ES sources, she also got it from 
DK. 

Another interesting item is that I am aware of several former ES members 
who were expelled because they were also involved with Meditation Mount, 
an Alice Bailey type center also located at Ojai. As I understand it, 
their crime was participating in Meditation Mount meditation practices, 
not authorized by the ES. I would every much like to hear from anyone 
who has any first hand information concerning these incidents or others 
of a similar nature. These incidents do suggest to me that the ES still 
has issues concerning Alice Bailey teachings. Perhaps some of you have 
a different explanation.

--j







kpauljohnson wrote:

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>Hi Perry,
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>Perhaps Jerry H-E can explain further, but I recall years ago that 
>he explained the otherwise inexplicable hostility towards Bailey in 
>the Adyar TS. Inexplicable, that is, because she seems to rile the 
>powers that be more than Steiner, the Prophets, Purucker, etc. etc. 
>whereas her teachings are actually more in line with Adyar/ES/CWL 
>orthodoxy than all those other claimants to Mahatmic inspiration.
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>That similarity is actually at the root of the hostility, because 
>Bailey was an ES member and after leaving the TS incorporated secret 
>Leadbeaterian doctrines into her writings. Thus she was regarded as 
>a traitor to the ES and the Masters. Sounds very plausible, and 
>since ES members are not going to tell us who's on their s--tlist 
>and in what order, guesswork is all we have left.
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