Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt00474)

Masturbation: Was there simply "advice" 
or was there any "action"?
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Thomas: I should like to know definitely whether 
it was simply in the nature of advice or whether
there was any action.

Leadbeater: I want to call up quite clearly the
exact incidents. I scarely recollect. There was
advice but there might have been a certain amount of
indicative action. That might be possible.

Mead: The boy suggests in the most distinct way
that the difference between "Z" and you was that
in the case of "Z" he spoke of these things, 
but in your case something was done to him.

Leadbeater: Nothing was done to him. You can't
be suggesting what seems to be the obvious suggestion.

Mead: You say the boy lies?

Leadbeater: He has misrepresented. I don't like to 
accuse people of lies, but a construction has been
put upon it which is not right.

Thomas: Your reply as to scarcely recollecting
sugests that there were so many cases. I would like
to know whether in any case - I am not suggesting
sodomy - there was definite action.

Leadbeater: You mean touch? That might have taken
place....

Quoted from:

THE ELDER BROTHER, p. 84

So Mr. Leadbeater admits that he not only gave the advice
to masturbate but admits to "a certain amount of indicative 
action" and that "touch" might have taken place.

WHAT EXACTLY is Mr. Leadbeater admitting to IN ADDITION to
simply giving advice?

Take the above with the following testimony of the boys
as given to their mothers:

"...in reply to the question 'When did it happen?' he said
'the very first night I visited him we slept together.'"

...."He made me promise not to tell."

Daniel