Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt00425)

Dear Gopi, Dallas, and any others interested,

So, Gopi, if your mind is made up, I guess that says it all. :-) 

In any event, I never said theosophy doesn't accept all quantum ideas. Only, 
that it doesn't accept its idea of "indeterminacy" as a fundamental reality. 

Theosophy is based entirely on the immutability of the laws of Karma -- which 
says that every effect has a specific cause or previous chain of causes and 
effects that is not subject to chance (as objective science sees and interprets 
it). 

Thus, while Karma may not be linear in the sense that its changes in time 
travel through a straight and narrow path from cause to effect or action to 
reaction... The old saw is true that Karma works in mysterious and complex ways -- 
since the circumstances on and in which it depends and occurs can be so 
variable, due to free will and individual choice -- that it would be next to 
impossible to follow its intricate winding path through the seven fold fields of 
consciousness and back again. However, its fundamental laws certainly are 
immutable, and every cause must have a definite and predictable effect, and vice 
versa. 

Therefore, it follows that there cannot be any disconnected (chance) 
occurrences that are independent of such laws -- which are rooted in the cycles of 
fundamental angular momental force or abstract motion of the zero-point spinergy 
of Absolute Space -- that, not only is everywhere, but also jump started and 
maintains the balance of total light and dark mass-energies in this whole 
Universe. 

Therefore, theosophy, rather than disagreeing with modern physics, recognizes 
the same laws of symmetry, conservation and thermodynamics that are the basis 
of all classical, quantum, and relativity theories. It's only where quantum 
physics stops between the fundamental photon "wavicle" and the zero-point that 
theosophy (as well as relativity theory) disagree with its indeterminacy 
ideas, as well as its denial that there exists any nonmetric higher order 
coadunate but not consubstantial fields of consciousness within that minute space they 
call the "vacuum."

I hope this covers it -- so that this discussion can be concluded with some 
reasonable understanding between us. :-)

Leon 

In a message dated 01/13/05 9:22:07 AM, ekcvv@juno.com writes: 

>
>Dear Dallas, Lenny
>
>So, it is simple. Theosophy does not accept Quantum ideas, so Karma does
>not have to explain it!
>
>Gopi
>For me it is another thing altogether: Chance is Karmic. Karma is not
>so linear. 
>That may just conclude the discussion on the subject!