Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt00292)

Dear Dallas, Gopi, others,

With reference to the question of "how Theosophy would address Quantum idea 
with regard to Karma and chance?" ... I would say that theosophy does not think 
the Quantum theory of Indeterminacy has any validity, since it is a contrived 
concept to cover up that this theory cannot predict anything that happens or 
the existence of substantial mass-energy below the quantum level of their 
supposed fundamental "particles." 

Both theosophy as well as ABC (and also Einstein's theory of relativity) 
denies that such "particles" have any real existence... Since, all matter is based 
on coadunate but not consubstantial fields of energy extending from the 
zero-point to infinity -- (fundamentally vibrational waves of primal force, or the 
motion of Space itself that, when tied together in stable patterns, only 
appear to be separate "particles") -- that follow rigid laws of electricity, 
cycles, cause and effect, etc. 

As Einstein said, in his denial of the validity of the current Copenhagen 
view of quantum theory (Bohr, Heisenberg, etc.) -- "God does not play dice." 

However, the more recent view of quantum physics (Bohm, Pribram, etc.) 
regarding "Implicate-Explicate Orders" and the "Holographic Paradigm," along with 
the view of Greene, Kaku, etc., with respect to Superstring/M-brane theories -- 
are much closer to the theosophical and ABC view. None of these newer 
theories disagree with Karma as the result of inexorable cause=effects through all 
levels of reality, and neither do they relate such cause and effect to "chance" 
-- which is based on highly complex random factors that have to do with 
"Complexity-Simplicity" and "Chaos-Order" theories that also do not recognize any 
indeterminacy in Natural processes, nor do they contradict theosophical 
metaphysics or the ABC theory.

Hope this helps clarify some of the confusion between true theosophical 
science that sees no gaps in involution and evolution, and conventional reductive 
material science whose unknown and indeterminate gaps between the quantum 
particle and their zero-point of origination add up to be as wide as the entire 
Universe. :-) i.e., Nothing in quantum theory can explain the "perturbations" of 
the vast amount of electromagnetic energy that exist in this (to them) empty 
vacuum -- whose reality was proven in 1948 by the Casimir effect. 
<http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Quantum/casimir.html> But, then, they don't need 
such energy to make our solid state electronic cell phones, computers, DVD's, 
and other digital do dads. :-)

Lenny

In a message dated 01/11/05 9:06:34 AM, dalval14@earthlink.net writes:

Jan 11 2004


Dear Lenny:


If you have time could you look at this question? Possibly answer?


I don' have a brief on QUANTUM THEORY -- at least enough to 

use to answer. Might not INDETERMINACY also apply? In any 

case how does the ABC THEORY handle this?


Problem is grasping (I think) that KARMA antecedes all manifestation and, as

in indissoluble part of the ABSOLUTE (as is everything else of course), it

operates unerringly and faithfully to the MOTIVE of the chooser. 


No question of "luck" or "chance," or "indeterminacy" ever. Always LAW. 


The IMMORTALITY of every MONAD (regardless of its "level" of advancement on 
the "ladder of Being,") guarantees that eventually all disturbance in

universal equilibrium gets returned to its disturber -- its source. 


I would say that our "Lower-Mind" is always on the prowl to discover if

there are any chinks in the KARMIC plenum.


If any can be fund then the whole Theosophical philosophy falls to the

ground and is as useless as any other -ism or hypothesis. 


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ENQUIRER. How, then, should Theosophical principles be applied so that

social co-operation may be promoted and true efforts for social amelioration

be carried on? 



THEOSOPHIST. Let me briefly remind you what these principles are --

universal Unity and Causation; Human Solidarity; the Law of Karma;

Re-incarnation. These are the four links of the golden chain which should

bind humanity into one family, one universal Brotherhood. Key p. 233


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Thanks, 


And always best wishes, 


Dal


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QUESTIONS ASKED



G I raised question about how Theosophy would address Quantum idea

with regards to Karma and chance. -- Gopi asks.