Theos-Talk Archives (December 2004 Message tt00440)

Ha Ha... Guess the ghost of my cat kept jumping on the keyboard. (Cats you 
once loved don't go to Devachan, they just keep hanging around to remind you 
how weird this life is -- especially during the year end season when everything 
that hasn't happened, but is due to happen, happens. ;-)

Dear Cass, 

Just as I said... We'll have plenty of time in Devachan to figure out what 
we'll have to do in our next incarnation and find out where and maybe when it 
will be... And why we will have to forget about everything we left behind in 
this one -- except, maybe, our karma. But, then, we won't even remember that -- 
until it catches up with us. So, why worry about any of it -- when there's so 
much to do (or not to do :-) in this life to see that whatever karma we get 
after Devachan is as good as we can make it? (Don't know if that's the first 
question you bet I'd ask... So, who wins the bet?:) Besides, judging by how 
confusing HPB and the Masters left us with the wiggly statements they made on 
the subject of reincarnation and karma -- I don't think anyone here can give you 
any answers that might make better sense. Guess we'll just have to wait and 
find out for ourselves.:-)

But, keep on asking questions. Sometimes the right question will give you 
the correct answer all by itself. (Remember, the Master within already knows.:-)

Best wishes.

Leon



In a message dated 12/30/04 8:25:46 PM, silva_cass@yahoo.com writes:
>
>Dear Leon
>Will trying to find an answer to my questions on Devachan and reincarnating
>back to Earth, I came across this
>"No; there are no clocks, no timepieces in Devachan, my esteemed chela,
>though the whole Cosmos is a gigantic chronometer in one sense.
>Cass
>
>
>Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Dear Leon
>Nothing to fret about when you put it like that. I bet I know what your
>first question will be !!!
>Cass
>ps had a quiet cackle over the jokes
>
>leonmaurer@aol.com wrote:
>
>Dear Cass,
>
>I wouldn't worry about it. When we shuck off this body and all its 
>inhibitive and noise making senses, we will hear the "Voice of the Silence" 
of the 
>thinker who thinks about us, and we can ask it anything we wish to... And, 
get a 
>straight answer directly from the horses mouth. 
>We also won't be lonely, since we'll be in the company of everyone we ever
>knew abd loved in our heart. Could they be in any other mind's thoughts than 
we 
>are in and always will be? Besides, we will have already worked through our 
>memory of this life and its karmic lessons the moment we shuffle off through
>the gate, and have plenty of time to ruminate about what we have to do
>in the next life to mediate the karma we left behind in this one. What more 
>verification of our own existence than that do we need?
>
>>From a scientific point of view, how can we be less than the absolute 
>zero-point and its surrounding infinite abstract motion or spinergy -- that 
must 
>always carry and retain in its patterns of vibrations the entire holistic 
memory 
>of all the thoughts and actions of whatever was, is, and will be? So, how 
can 
>our individual existence and its experiences ever be lost? When that 
pre-thought
> memory awakens, won't every individual ray of consciousness emanating from 
>it go back to wherever they left off during the last awakening -- to continue
>on from there? Could there be any other way, for any being that was 
>Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent, to carry on with the game of life?
>If not, then how could it and everything in it's memory, and later, 
thoughts, not
>exist forever -- even if only in its mind? 
>
>So, what's there to fret about?
>
>Leon
>
>
>In a message dated 12/28/04 9:02:09 PM, silva_cass@yahoo.com writes:
>
>>Dear Leon
>>
>>Another question,
>>
>>It seems to me that we, like IT, are in manifestation to "know that we
>>know ourselves". When we die and are in a purely subjective state we cannot
>>verify our own existence but only know that subjective state of all knowing
>>without verification (when we are dead). I am not looking forward to that,
>>a little centre of consciousness, ruminating on past lives and ,making
>>vows to "do things differently, next time", without being able to say to
>>someone, "Hey, what do you think?"
>>
>>>From a little point of consciousnessess point of view, I think it could
>>get pretty lonely being omniscient.
>>
>>Cass
>>
>>leonmaurer@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>Dear Cass, 
>>
>>Since you seem to get the point, I have no wonder about where you are
coming
>>from. You are right, the knowing flows in both directions, the manifestation
>>(us) must know itself while the self (it) that created the manifestation 
must 
>>know its creation. That is the nature of thought thinking within itself...
>>And, why we know we are conscious and know that we know we are conscious.
>>Thus, the thinker in us is the thought of the thinker who thought us up.
>>I hope that clears things up a bit about where I'm coming from. :-) 
>>
>>Leon 
>>