Theos-Talk Archives (December 2004 Message tt00406)

Dear Dallas,

I thought Anand's comment on Judge was rhetorical? 
But I did notice in your passage Olcott's "hatred" for Judge.

Regardless of who is the CEO and where the Corporation spreads, 
surely any branch that carries the name of Theosophy should work 
together, to harmonise the conflicts. How can Theosophy stand as 
the beacon for Truth, when its various departments keep throwing mud 
at each other, defence - attack, attack - defence in the name of 
Truth. He said, she said, Isn't it time to bury the hatchet? 
Nobody can change what has been said by members of the Society in 
the past, a continual defense and recant of other's work, undermines 
all the good work that has been done, as we would appear as 
squabbling little children in the playground of Theosophy. There is 
room for the Purists -those who follow HPB's teachings as the only 
source - and for Non-Purists, those who read what others have said. 
Even if the two are in opposition on certain points, let it be, it 
won't send anyone to the portals of hell or set them back on the 
path. Let the seeker find their own truth in their own time. HPB 
admitted that there were times she made mistakes, after all she was 
still human.
And now a question for you.
In Isis HPB says that a soul never re-incarnates into the same cycle 
(and on the same planet?) In another passage she says that Devachan 
can range from 1000-3000 years. Perhaps I am misquoting, and I am 
certainly not challenging her authenticity, but asking for an 
explanation of what we think really happens. As there are many 
cases in the world of reincarnating egos returning to the same 
village etc.
Regards
Cass 


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "W.Dallas TenBroeck" 
<dalval14@e...> wrote:
> Dec 27, 2004
> 
> Dear Friend Anand:
> 
> Somehow I think you are missing the point. Do you think you are 
aiding the
> cause of the THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY ? 
> 
> Don't you think that the TS exists because of THEOSOPHY ? 
> 
> I wonder if you know what THEOSOPHY is ? 
> 
> Have you actually read H P B's The KEY TO THEOSOPHY ?
> 
> I think about what you write. You are an enthusiast for the 
THEOSOPHICAL
> SOCIETY, which is good, providing you know what the THEOSOPHICAL 
SOCIETY
> actually stands for.
> 
> But, you will have to pardon me, as it seems from what you write 
you are
> ignorant of many of the aspects of the history of recent 
THEOSOPHICAL
> MOVEMENT (1875 to date), or you would not make some of the 
baseless and
> inaccurate statements that you do. 
> 
> It is also quite apparent that you have read little or nothing of 
what W. Q.
> Judge wrote. Your question, as phrased by you, is redundant, 
provocative as
> well as unbrotherly. Do you know that Mr. Judge was one of the 
founders of
> the THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY? 
> 
> You appear to me, excuse the characterization, to be a brash 
newcomer with
> much to learn, and, instead of asking questions you produce 
inaccurate
> statements. I wonder what the senior members of the THEOSOPHICAL 
SOCIETY
> think of them? 
> 
> May I suggest some study and a more careful set of expressions? 
> 
> Further: Have you observed that the THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY was 
originated to
> fulfil three objects? 
> 
> 
> "ENQUIRER. What are the objects of the "Theosophical Society"? 
> 
> THEOSOPHIST. They are three, and have been so from the beginning.
> 
> (1.) To form the nucleus of a Universal Brotherhood of Humanity 
without
> distinction of race, colour, or creed. 
> 
> 2.) To promote the study of Aryan and other Scriptures, of the 
World's
> religion and sciences, and to vindicate the importance of old 
Asiatic
> literature, namely, of the Brahmanical, Buddhist, and Zoroastrian
> philosophies. 
> 
> (3.) To investigate the hidden mysteries of Nature under every 
aspect
> possible, and the psychic and spiritual powers latent in man 
especially. 
> 
> These are, broadly stated, the three chief objects of the 
Theosophical
> Society."
> The KEY TO THEOSOPHY p. 39.
> 
> 
> If one desires to discover what THEOSOPHY is, then by studying the 
basic
> books and articles written by Mme. H P Blavatsky, the accredited 
Agent of
> the Masters of Wisdom, you may discover a part of the following:
> 
> 
> FUNDAMENTAL DOCTRINES OF THEOSOPHY 
> 
> 1.) the individual immortality of all Monads that fill the 
entirety of
> Space, this includes the least as well as the highest of Spiritual 
Souls; 
> 
> 2.) the common bond of Karma (law) which serves as a 
basis for all
> interaction, as it unites the causal motives for all action, done 
by
> anything or anyone, with the exact results returning to the 
individual being
> that generated them; 
> 
> 3.) a process of evolution that is continuous and extends from 
the
> smallest part of the vast UNIVERSE to its utmost limits, the least 
has the
> same potentials of the most advanced; and is for ever in contact 
with every
> other entity or part of the whole Universe;
> 
> 4.) a common goal for all units has been called: SPIRITUAL 
PERFECTION.
> It is open for all, and embraces all that can be known of the 
Universe and
> its uncountable components. That is: Maha-Buddhi, or, Universal 
WISDOM.
> 
> As far as I can determine, there is no "Judge Society." 
> 
> 1	What do you mean by that designation? 
> 
> 2	How do you detect any "hatred" of the THEOSOPHICAL 
SOCIETY ? 
> 
> H P B, Olcott and Judge were the only three of the original 
founders of the
> THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY (1875) in New York who sustained and 
maintained it till
> their death. Mr. Judge was appointed Vice President of the 
THEOSOPHICAL
> SOCIETY by Olcott. This was done on the basis of the Masters' 
order. 
> 
> "1888, Dec. 27-29th WQJ Appointed Vice-President T.S.
> 
> On December 27-29th, 1888 at a customary, but informal, 
annual
> Convention held at the T S Adyar Headquarters, Col. Olcott PTS 
nominated Mr.
> Judge Vice-President. (CWB X, p. XXVIII). 
> 
> 1888	
> Another resolution was passed on a policy of reorganizing 
the T S on
> lines of autonomous Sections. In 1890 Mr. Judge was officially 
elected
> Vice-President under new Rules made by the General Council T S 
under Col.
> Olcott.
> OLD DIARY LEAVES, Vol. IV, pp. 74-83."
> 
> As far as I can see and read, I detect I all that has been 
written, a
> constant proffer of assistance and a constant gentle urging to all 
its
> membership to study THEOSOPHY and know exactly what it is. 
Further, to know
> their own history, objectives and development. 
> 
> In this connection I suggest you read The THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT 
(1875-1950).
> (350 pages) I believed it costs about $ 7.50 plus postage. It is 
also
> available at most Theosophical libraries. 
> 
> Early in the KEY to THEOSOPHY, H. P. Blavatsky writes to establish 
some
> basis in the mind of the reader of what Theosophy stands for. 
> 
> In part, she states:
> 
> THEOSOPHY IS GODLIKE WISDOM, the word "Theosophy" was found used by
> Pythagoras, a contemporary of Gautama the Buddha. It is divine 
knowledge or
> science, such as that possessed by the "Gods."
> 
> ITS FIRST OBJECT IS TO INCULCATE CERTAIN GREAT MORAL TRUTHS upon 
its
> disciples. 
> 
> Other objects are: TO RECONCILE ALL RELIGIONS.under a common 
system of
> ethics, based on eternal verities. 
> 
> And by demonstrating their identical origin, to establish one 
universal
> creed based on ethics. Additionally it aims to reinstate and 
restore to its
> primitive integrity the wisdom of the ancients.
> 
> The WISDOM RELIGION (Theosophy) was ever one, and being the last 
word of
> possible human thought, was therefore carefully preserved It will 
survive
> every other religion and philosophy.
> 
> Ancient theosophists claimed that the divine essence could be 
communicated
> to the higher Spiritual Self in a state of ecstasy. The latter 
(also named
> "samadhi") is practised by its devotees. It is an incessant 
endeavour to
> purify and elevate the mind. It is: "the ardent turning of the 
soul,
> towards the divine;" not to ask for any particular good, but for 
the
> universal Supreme Good for ALL. 
> 
> It states that those ETHICS ARE THE SOUL OF THE WISDOM RELIGION, 
and are the
> common property of the initiates of all nations. Sri Krishna the 
great
> Avatar proclaimed them at the beginning of the present "Kali Yuga" 
in his
> "Gita - song" -- teaching them to Arjuna. And we are 
all "Arjunas," His
> pupils. 
> 
> But Gautama Buddha was the first to embody those in his public 
teachings. It
> is the ethics of the Universe, that have always been the most 
insisted upon.
> 
> 
> All these are now called "Theosophical doctrines," because they 
form part of
> the knowledge of the initiates. 
> 
> These doctrines belong exclusively to no religion, and are 
confined to no
> society or time. They are the birthright of every human soul. 
Those who
> have imagined Theosophy to be a new religion have hunted in vain 
for its
> creed and ritual. 
> 
> Its creed is Loyalty to Truth, and its ritual "To honor every 
truth by use."
> 
> 
> The THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY was organized on this one principle, the 
essential
> Brotherhood of Man. We hold to no religion, as to no philosophy in
> particular: we cull the good we find in each. The T S was 
established as a
> philanthropic and scientific body for the propagation of the ideas 
of
> brotherhood on a practical instead of theoretical lines.
> 
> The T S cannot make a Theosophist of one who has no sense for the 
divine
> fitness of things. 
> 
> "THEOSOPHIST IS, WHO THEOSOPHY DOES."
> 
> How is this to be accomplished by those individuals who determine 
to adopt
> this as their personally policy of life? 
> 
> It is a difficult undertaking, as the foremost rule is the entire
> renunciation of one's personality. He has to become a thorough 
altruist,
> never to think of himself, and to forget his own vanity and pride 
in the
> thought of the good of his fellow creatures, to live a life of 
abstinence in
> everything, of self-denial and strict morality, doing his duty by 
all men.
> 
> If one asks what advantages are received from such a program, the 
answer is
> given: "deriving much strength from mutual aid and sympathy." 
> 
> UNION IS STRENGTH AND HARMONY, AND WELL-REGULATED SIMULTANEOUS 
EFFORTS
> PRODUCE WONDERS. 
> 
> This has been the secret of all associations and communities since 
mankind
> existed. Its aims and true goal are several, primarily the relief 
of human
> suffering, moral as well as physical. Theosophy has to inculcate 
ethics; it
> has to purify the soul, if it would relieve the physical body. 
> 
> AN OCCULTIST PRACTICES SCIENTIFIC THEOSOPHY, BASED ON AN ACCURATE 
KNOWLEDGE
> OF NATURE'S SECRET WORKINGS. 
> 
> The divine spark in man being one and identical in its essence 
with the
> Universal Spirit, our "spiritual Self" is practically omniscient, 
but it
> cannot manifest its knowledge owing to the impediments of matter. 
The more
> these impediments are removed, the physical body paralyzed, as to 
its own
> independent activity and consciousness, the more fully can the 
Inner Self
> manifest on this plane. 
> 
> OUR BELIEFS ARE ALL FOUNDED ON THAT IMMORTAL INDIVIDUALITY. 
> 
> Spirit is potential matter, and matter is simply crystallized 
Spirit, yet
> the original and eternal condition of all is not Spirit, but META-
SPIRIT
> (visible and solid matter being simply its periodical 
manifestations) we
> maintain that the term Spirit can only be applied to the True 
Individuality.
> 
> SELFISHNESS IS ESSENTIALLY CONSERVATIVE and hates being 
disturbed. The
> power of mental inertia is great in anything that does not promise 
immediate
> benefit and reward. Our age is predominately unspiritual, and 
matter of
> fact. 
> 
> Some Theosophical doctrines contradict flatly many of the human 
vagaries
> cherished by sectarians -- vagaries and errors which have eaten 
into the
> core, the very heart of popular beliefs. 
> 
> The result is that AN ENTIRELY UNSELFISH CODE APPEALS TO A VERY 
LIMITED
> CLASS -- thus producing slow, up-hill results. 
> 
> It is essentially the philosophy of those who suffer, and have 
lost all hope
> of being helped out of the mire of life by any other means..
> 
> To me it is important that the philosophy and the logic of Nature 
be exposed
> and referred to, rather than any opinion, mine or another's. 
Opinions
> fluctuate. Facts are stable.
> 
> In a sentence: We are born this life into a condition, a nation, a
> community, which enables us under karma (which we created for 
ourselves by
> past choosing) to receive and make the best learning change for 
our own
> advance.
> 
> Additionally, with knowledge that is true and universal, our 
choices can be
> molded to assist all we are connected to. In this we will be true 
brothers
> and helpful as a quiet example to all.
> 
> To 'understand' another means to be able to mentally step into 
their "shoes"
> and perceive their source of opinion. Then weighing ours and 
theirs
> (opinions) we can refer them to an ideal -- a moral norm. From 
that we can
> derive at least for ourselves what we ought to do.
> 
> I hope this is of help,
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Dallas
> 
> ============================
> 
> PS
> 
> JUDGE AS FOUNDER AND VICE PRESIDENT of the T S 
> 
> ORIGINAL FOUNDERS of the T S in 1875
> 
> Names And History
> 
> The following sixteen persons were the ones who during a meeting on
> September 8, 1875 took the decision of founding the Theosophical 
Society.
> 
> HELENA P. BLAVATSKY	Cor. Secy.	- died May 8, 1891
> 
> HENRY S. OLCOTT	P T S	- died February 7, 
1907 (?)
> 
> W. L. ALDEN	- left the T.S. on 
1881.
> 
> Mrs. EMMA HARDINGE BRITTEN -- left the Society very soon but she 
had a
> certain amount of contact with its leaders until 1890.
> 
> DR. W. BRITTEN -- husband of Mrs. Emma, left the T.S. early.
> 
> JOHN STORER COBB	-- in 1878 he lost interest and disappeared.
> 
> GEORGE H. FELT	- in 1877 he was in England proposing the 
formation of a
> Society for occult research with himself as President. Nothing 
came of this
> proposal; no additional information
> 
> H. HYSLOP -- he placed his signature; no more information
> 
> WILLIAM QUAN JUDGE -- He became one of the most important figures 
in the
> Society. "Difficulties" arose after the death of HPB, which led to 
the
> independence of the American Section of the T S, renamed The 
THEOSOPHICAL
> SOCIETY in America in 1895..
> Mr. Judge died March 25, 1896.
> 
> D. E. DE LARA -- learned gentleman of Portuguese -Hebrew 
extraction; he
> seems to have remained a member till he died.
> 
> CHARLES CARLETON MASSEY - English barrister and literateur.
> Left the T.S. in 1879; died 1905. 
> 
> HERBERT D. MONACHESI	-- a newspaper reporter; Italian by birth;
> dropped out.
> 
> HENRY J. NEWTON	-- elected Treasurer; withdrew when he found 
nobody was
> going to show him either Adepts or elementals.
> 
> C. E. SIMMONS -- a well-known New York physician; no more 
information.
> 
> CHARLES SOTHERAN -- after HPB and HSO left for India, no mention 
about him.
> 
> H. M. STEVENS -- he placed his signature; no more information
> 
> --------------------------------
> 
> Other founders who were not present on the September 8, 1975 
meeting were:
> 
> Dr. Seth Pancoast -- remained a member till he passed away in 
1889. 
> 
> Judge R. B. Westbrook - in 1877 he was made Vice-President of the
> Theosophical Society; no more information.
> 
> Rev. J. H. Wiggin - resigned before end 1875.
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> 
> see BLAVATSKY: Collected Works (TPH) Vol. 1
> 
> ==================
> 
> NOTE by Dallas TenBroeck
> 
> 
> The "difficulties" were created by vague charges and accusations 
made by
> Mrs. Annie Besant concerning Mr. W. Q. Judge as Vice-President T S 
in 1894.
> 
> Mr. Judge, Vice-President T S was exonerated of all charges in 
London, July
> 1894 by a Judicial Committee headed by Col. Olcott, P T S.
> 
> He did not "lead a secession" 
> 
> Col. Olcott had granted the American Section leave to form a 
separate
> Section. [Per letter seen and described and printed by Mr. Smythe 
of Canada
> T S who was present when it was received by Mr. Judge in New York -
-
> published in CANADIAN THEOSOPHIST. Col. Olcott granted the 
American Section
> leave to form an independent Section for efficiency in 
administrative
> processes, owing to the large size of that Section.]
> 
> Further details are
> 
> --------------------------------
> 
> 
> ON AUTONOMY
> 
> 
> [ The following quotations deserve their place here in view of the 
assertion
> still made in the T S, Adyar that The American Theosophists and Mr.
> W.Q.Judge "seceded" from the T.S. --DTB ]
> 
> 
> A 1893 Letter from Col. Olcott
> 
> Mr. A.E.S. Smythe, President T S in Canada, wrote the Editors of 
THEOSOPHY
> [ reported on p. 11 of the March 15th issue of Canadian 
Theosophist, for
> 1923, Vol. 4, # 1 ] quoting a letter addressed in 1893 by Col. 
Olcott,
> P.T.S. to Mr. Judge in which he read the following :
> 
> 
> "If you want separate Theosophical Societies made out of the 
> Sections, have them by all means. I offered this years ago 
> to H.P.B. and even to A.P.S." [ from: Olcott, P T S ]
> 
> 
> In the Canadian Theosophist, Vol. X, July 1929, pp 156-7 Mr. 
A.E.S.Smythe,
> President wrote:
> 
> 
> "The splitting of the Society was the act of Colonel Olcott who 
hated Judge.
> Judge had expected that the Colonel would recognize the autonomous 
T.S. in
> America and affiliate it with Adyar, but Olcott changed his mind 
and refused
> to do this, and Judge...was much disappointed with the Colonel's 
refusal. 
> 
> I was in the office at 144 Madison Avenue when Judge received a 
letter from
> Olcott postmarked and stamped from Spain, and Judge remarked 'Now 
everything
> will be all right.' But the letter was not what Judge expected 
and his
> disappointment was very obvious. This phase of the situation has 
never been
> explained, and I have never been able to learn whether Judge 
counted with
> warrant on Olcott's support, or whether it was really a right-
about-face on
> Olcott's part, for Judge certainly expected Olcott to support 
him. Judge
> had collected $ 17,000.00 in America and sent it to Olcott when 
the Adyar
> treasurer embezzled that amount...Judge and Besant were all right 
till
> H.P.B. died and we can honour and depend upon them up till that 
point.
> After May 8, 1891 we have had to depend upon ourselves and should 
be
> charitable to our neighbours."
> -- A. E. S. Smythe. "
> 
> 
> [ From HPB: "Why I do not Return to India" -- letter 
> 
> April, 1890
> "...the name alone of the holy Masters...has wrought a mighty 
change for the
> better in your land [India]...so long as I remained at Adyar, 
things went on
> smoothly enough, because one or other of the Masters was almost 
constantly
> present among us, and their spirit ever protected the T.S. from 
real
> harm...[1884] It was during that time and Colonel Olcott's absence 
in Burma,
> that the seeds of all future strifes, and...disintegration of the 
T.S., were
> planned by our enemies... I say, at that critical moment, if the 
members of
> the Society, and especially its leaders at Adyar, Hindu and 
European, had
> stood together as one man, firm in their conviction of the reality 
and power
> of the Masters, Theosophy would have come out more triumphantly 
than ever,
> and none of their fears would have ever been realized...In spite 
of my
> protests, I was hurried away from Headquarters... and immediately 
intrigues
> and rumors began...it was rumored that I had been abandoned by the 
Masters,
> been disloyal to Them...I was accused of being, at best, a 
hallucinated
> medium, who had mistaken "spooks" for living Masters...others 
declared that
> the real H.P.Blavatsky was dead...and that the form had been 
forthwith
> seized upon by a Dugpa Chela...I was a witch, a sorceress...In 
fact the
> powers of psychology attributed to me by my enemies...are so great 
that they
> alone would have made of me a most remarkable Adept--independently 
of any
> Masters or Mahatmas, with the exception of Colonel Olcott, 
everyone seemed
> to banish the Masters from their thoughts and Their spirit from
> Adyar...since my departure...the activity of the movement there 
gradually
> slackened...
> 
> Acting under Master's orders I began a new movement in the West on 
the
> original lines; I founded Lucifer, and the Lodge which bears my 
name...I
> learned that I was once more wanted in India--at any rate by 
some. But the
> invitation came too late; neither would my doctor permit it, nor 
can I, if
> I would remain true to my life-pledge and vows, now live at the 
Headquarters
> from which the Masters and Their spirit are virtually banished. 
The
> presence of Their portraits will not help; They are a dead 
letter...no
> advice of mine on occult lines seems likely to be accepted, as the 
fact of
> my relations with the Masters is doubted, even totally denied by 
some...the
> spread of Theosophy and of the T.S. in the West, during the last 
three
> years, has been extraordinary...I was enabled and encouraged by 
the devotion
> of an ever increasing number of members to the Cause and to Those 
who guide
> it, to establish an Esoteric Section, in which I can teach 
something of what
> I have learned to those who have confidence in me, and who prove 
this by
> their disinterested work for Theosophy and the T.S. The only 
claim,
> therefore, which India could ever have upon me would be strong 
only in
> proportion to the activity of the Fellows there for Theosophy and 
their
> loyalty to the Masters.
> 
> Thenceforth let it be clearly understood that the rest of my life 
is devoted
> only to those who believe in the Masters, and are willing to work 
for
> Theosophy as They understand it, and for the T.S. on the lines 
upon which
> They originally established it.
> -- HPB "WHY I DO NOT RETURN TO INDIA"
> 
> [ This letter from HPB was written and sent with B. Keightley, 
April 1890.
> Published in Theosophist, January 1922. HPB Articles I, pp., 108 -
114 ]
> 
> 
> "...the Esoteric Section has nothing whatever to do with the T.S., 
its
> Council or officers. It is a Section entirely apart from the 
exoteric body,
> and independent of it. H.P.B. alone being responsible for its 
members...the
> E.S. as a body, owes no allegiance whatever to the T.S., as a 
Society, least
> of all to Adyar...H.P.B. is loyal to the death to the Theosophical 
CAUSE,
> and those great Teachers whose philosophy can alone bind the whole 
of
> Humanity into one Brotherhood...Therefore the degree of her 
sympathies with
> the "T.S. and Adyar" depends upon the degree of the loyalty of 
that Society
> to the CAUSE. Let it break away from the original lines and show 
disloyalty
> in its policy to the CAUSE and the original programme of the 
Society, and
> H.P.B. calling the T.S. disloyal, will shake it off like dust from 
her feet.
> 
> And what does "loyalty to Adyar" mean, in the name of all 
wonders? What is
> Adyar, apart from that CAUSE and the two (not one Founder) who 
represent it
> ? ...
> 
> There is no longer a "Parent Society;" it is abolished and 
replaced by an
> aggregate body of Theosophical societies, all autonomous, as are 
the States
> of America, and all under one Head President, who, together with
> H.P.Blavatsky, will champion the Cause against the whole world. 
Such is the
> real state of things...a Council which is liable at any moment to 
issue
> silly and untheosophical ukases...in a Society which owes its life 
to them
> [she and Col. Olcott], and for which they are both karmically
> responsible...she will ever protest against the decision of the 
General
> Council, were it composed of Archangels and Dhyan Chohans 
themselves, if
> their decisions seem to her unjust or untheosophical, or fails to 
meet with
> the approval of the majority of the Fellows. No more than 
H.P.Blavatsky has
> the President Founder the right to exercise autocracy or papal 
powers...It
> is the two Founders and especially the President, who have 
virtually sworn
> allegiance to the Fellows, whom they have to protect, and teach 
those who
> want to be taught, and not to tyrannize and rule over them."	
> -- H P B "A PUZZLE FROM ADYAR" Lucifer, Aug. 1889
> HPB Articles, Vol. I, pp. 219-220
> 
> 
> "...Sections and Branches like the "London Lodge" and others which 
are
> autonomous...Is not the Blavatsky Lodge, like the London, Dublin, 
or any
> other "Lodge," a branch of, and a Theosophical Society ?"	HPB 
Articles
> I 221
> 
> 
> ====================================
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anand Gholap 
> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 2:45 PM
> To: 
> Subject: Did Judge teach hatred ?
> 
> 
> It can be easily observed that many members of Judge Society spend 
> half the time in criticizing leaders of Adyar TS. 
> 
> Is this what Judge taught ? 
> 
> Anand Gholap