Theos-Talk Archives (December 2004 Message tt00349)

Hi Pasender, if your logic is true, then HPB was also in 
error to point to the errors of the priests and scientists. 
Why not ignore churches and sciences?

The reason why Adyar members tend to ignore debates is not 
that they are already holy ones (at least they pose so), but 
that they received so much brainwashing during the years 
that they cannot think anymore for themselves, because it is 
the open Adyar policy to destroy the thinking man as an E.S. 
initiate revealed to me.
To speak it out more easy: They are too stupid (or have been 
made stupid) to follow a logical discourse as students in 
this list offer.
Frank


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "pasender" <pasender@yahoo.com.ar>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:54 AM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Judge "even higher than" 
Blavatsky??




Hi fnord!

I agree with you about the defences (and then, attacks) of
the "leaders". In fact, the Adyar TS has the attitude of no 
entering
in that game... If you see Adyar's book you couldn't find 
almost
anyone in order to defend or attack anyone, and most of the 
Adyar TS
members that I know from various countries, are not 
concerned in
defences and attacks. If you read carefully my last message, 
this
was not an attempt to defend Annie Besant or any, but shows 
the
irrelevance of it.
Obviously the people have mistakes, because all human beings 
are
fallible, and I don't want cover it. But what do we have to 
do with
this? The past in not here, and we never will know the pure 
facts.
How can we know if declarations of Wadia and so on are true? 
I know
false statements made about, for example, Leadbeater (I have
documented on it) and then all this kind of matter is very 
much
subjective.
We must work for humanity in our level, and see if the 
movement of
we are a part is now working rightly. When you want to 
validate a
movement through its past, there are some wrong in it. The 
present
work is the important thing.
But in the theosophical movement (which is a pity) there are 
some
people or organizations that waste very much energy in 
attack to the
other, may be for the psychological need (I don't know) of 
validates
his movement. From my point of view the only validation is 
the
unselfish work for humanity, don't you?
Best wishes
p

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "fnord" <fnord@b...> 
wrote:
> Pablo,
>
> in a biography of BP Wadia by Dallas Tenbroeck:
>
> After several heart to heart conversations in 1920-21 with 
> Mrs.
Annie Besant on his return to India and Adyar, B.P. Wadia 
found that
while she admitted to him in private that what had then been 
done
against Mr. Judge and the "Theosophical Society in America," 
25
years back, was wrong, she refused to make a public 
retraction and
restore Judge's fair name in Theosophical publications and
elsewhere.
>
> And there are many sources alike, for example Alice 
> Leighton
Cleater. It's near from stupid i think to go on and on with 
this
subjects: she herself admited it, and contradict herself one 
more
time, that's it! What's the thing about defending her? She 
was not
an arhat, not an initiate, everything in her lifes proves 
it; but in
the middle of all the miss, she did a great job, a very 
great job in
some fields. But there's no need to defend, when she abused 
power
more then once, and so on, so on.
>
> I don't think the TS must be excesivly atacked, but it 
> must admit
their flaws and mistakes, not to defend every action of her
past 'leaders', no matter how wrong they were. There's no 
need for
misionary work, i think.
>
> My english is preety bad too, i guess, and i'm sorry.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






Yahoo! Groups Links