Theos-Talk Archives (November 2004 Message tt00312)

Nov 24 04



Understood

Thanks Etzion:

Yes I grasped Moses was speaking of Karma and not of retaliation, revenge
or senseless feuds.

No man knows enough to assume he or she can take the law of Karma into their
own hands and exact some form of revenge. It merely compounds the original
errors. 

But also restitution cannot be fully attained by a financial settlement
--either then or now as is attempted in our law courts. 

Forgiveness is certainly the superior virtue -- and if we are dealing with
immortal MONADS then killing a body is not the practice of brotherhood in
any way.  

THEOSOPHY objects to "capital punishment" and to all wars and violence. 

Best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Etzion 
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 8:55 PM
To: 
Subject: [bn-study] RE: Theos-World Use of terms "Atma" and "Soul"


Dear Dallas, thanks for the good post, as always.

Just to comment over this passage which I cut from your post:
Moses also teaches not to take revenge. In the sentence "An eye for an eye",

he simply demonstrates the law of Karma, which he knew well, and it is being

mentioned in the Torah, even not directly. The Hebrews paid money or its 
equivalent for causing harm to another person. It never was meant to go 
ahead and physically inflict the same pain on the other party, like in 
Khamooraby laws.
We have to remember with whom Moses was dealing with: coarse, earthly 
people, which was, and has been the human state. He had to teach them the 
law of Karma, and for this, the Hebrew Lord of retribution, as so commonly 
believed, was simply mirroring their own misdeeds and bringing about the 
consequences of their actions. Moses was a six plain Master, and he knew 
well that retaliation only brings about further bad karma, that in order to 
break the vicious karmic cycles, a person must learn forgiveness. You cannot

teach a mob of beduins, who used to take blood revenge for every offense, as

they have been doing till these days, to stop their actions at once, and 
make 180 % shift of consciousness, which even we, *advanced spiritual 
people*, cannot do. Heaven and hell are intertwined in the Torah, and each 
person finds what he is looking after. So at least I understand at this 
point.

Best wishes, 


Etzion


**Christianity of today is modern Judaism, but the Christianity of Jesus is
something different. 


He taught forgiveness, Moses taught retaliation, and
that is the law today in Christian State and Church. "An eye for an eye, and
a tooth for a tooth" is still the recognized rule, but Jesus taught the
opposite. He fully agreed with Buddha, who, preaching 500 years before the
birth of the Jewish reformer, said we must love one another and forgive our
enemies.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "W.Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: <study@blavatsky.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:05 AM
Subject: [bn-study] RE: Theos-World Use of terms "Atma" and "Soul"


> Nov 22 2004
>
> May I butt in here with a further observation?
>
> If we carefully study both ISIS UNVEILED and the SECRET DOCTRINE and use
> The KEY TO THEOSOPHY as an introduction to THEOSOPHY we will secure 
> answers
> to these questions of terminology.
>
> Many who think of themselves as "theosophists" need first to acquire a
> working knowledge of its modern terminology -- as presented by HPB to the
> present century and cycle of students. Further. She carefully reinforced
> this with a history of the derivation and relationship of terms between
> various systems and religions. Thus she demonstrated the unity of thought
> to be recognized there.
>
> Let us remember that Christianity in its many sects of today (the three
> chief ones being: Protestantism, the Roman Catholic Church and the 
> Eastern
> Orthodox Church), derives as a reform from Judaism and its several sects.
>
> In turn Judaism was strongly influenced by the Mysteries of Egypt, Greece,
> and Assyria. Further, it had roots tracing back to Chaldea, Babylon,
> Mesopotamia (ancient Iraq), the Zoroastrianism of Persia and the
> Hinduism/Brahmanism of ancient India.
>
> The Buddhist reform of Brahmanism strongly influenced the world of
> philosophy and thought when in the 3rd Century B C, King Ashoka sent
> missionary Buddhist monks all over the world (including China, Indonesia,
> Burma, Tibet, Mongolia, Japan and as far away as Scandinavia, and the
> Teutonic and Frankish lands, in this Ireland was also included -- and 
> some
> of the monks settled in Judea on the banks of the Dead Sea.
>
> In a way, HPB says in ISIS UNVEILED the reform that Jesus sought to
> introduce to Judaism was like that which Buddha introduced to Hinduism He
> made its philosophy popular again and instilled as non-violence a reign of
> peace that still exists as its main feature. One of the greatest tenets 
> is:
> "God" is to be sought within each one of us, since the DEIFIC Principle 
> is
> everywhere, the closest location of GOD is in our own "hearts." We all 
> (the
> whole Earth and Universe) live and owe our lives to the ONE DEIFIC 
> PRINCIPLE
> OF SPIRIT -- which is omnipresent and ubiquitous.
>
> We all have a tendency to try and place HPB, and the Masters of Wisdom in
> some sectarian position because of their use of certain terms known to be 
> in
> common use there.
>
> But let us consider that there is a single universal and undivided School 
> of
> Occultism, of Esotericism and of THEOSOPHY -- in the past.
>
> If we trace the evolution of sectarianism we discover that ancient China,
> Mongolia, Tibet, India and Persia (Zoroastrianism) are the most ancient --
> and the terms used that were peculiar to one are intracontrovertible to
> others.
>
> This does not locate those who used them to any single sect, creed, 
> religion
> or occult system It merely shows then, as now, that there is a unity --  
> and
> that students of all the schools, regardless of past or present language,
> use any suitable term drawn from any of those.
>
> The KEY TO THEOSOPHY shows this abundantly.
>
> We need to widen our own horizons, and not narrow or limit them to any
> particular philosophy or language.
>
> Truth is one.
>
> THEOSOPHY exists to demonstrate and prove that singularity.
>
> Remember that our aim, creed and motto is BROTHERHOOD.
>
> Further, anyone who has read and studied the MAHATMA LETTERS knows that
> creedalism is the last thing the Masters adopted. Master wrote:
>
>
> "I will point out the greatest, the chief cause of nearly two thirds of 
> the
> evils that pursue humanity ever since that cause became a power. It is
> religion under whatever form and in whatsoever nation.
>
> It is the sacerdotal caste, the priesthood and the churches; it is in 
> those
> illusions that man looks upon as sacred, that he has to search out the
> source of that multitude of evils which is the great curse of humanity and
> that almost overwhelms mankind.
>
> Ignorance created Gods and cunning took advantage of the opportunity.
>
> Look at India and look at Christendom and Islam, at Judaism and Fetichism.
>
> It is priestly imposture that rendered these Gods so terrible to man; it 
> is
> religion that makes of him the selfish bigot, the fanatic that hates all
> mankind out of his own sect without rendering him any better or more moral
> for it.
>
> It is belief in God and Gods that makes two-thirds of humanity the slaves 
> of
> a handful of those who deceive them under the false pretence of saving 
> them.
> It is not man ever ready to commit any kind of evil if told that his God 
> or
> Gods demand the crime - voluntary victim of an illusionary God, the abject
> slave of his crafty ministers?
>
> The Irish, Italian and Slavonian peasant will starve himself and see his
> family starving and naked to feed and clothe his padre and pope.
>
> For two thousand years India groaned under the weight of caste, Brahmins
> alone feeding on the fat of the land, and to-day the followers of Christ 
> and
> those of Mahomet are cutting each other's throats in the names of and for
> the greater glory of their respective myths.
>
> Remember the sum of human misery will never be diminished unto that day 
> when
> the better portion of humanity destroys in the name of Truth, morality, 
> and
> universal charity, the altars of their false gods."
> M L (Barker Edn: p. 57-8 Letter X)



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