Re: Theos-World Re: To Pedro - Biggest Contradiction in Theosophy
Nov 22, 2004 01:08 AM
In a message dated 11/21/04 7:32:35 AM, AnandGholap@AnandGholap.org writes:
>As you said it is difficult to understand how Buddhist teacher uses
>terms like Atma and soul while explaining to Sinnette. It appears to
>me that Theosophy as given by Annie Besant, Leadbeater and HPB is
>more like what Vedas and Upanishats tell. First of all idea of the
>God in Advait Vedanta is same as given by Annie Besant,Leadbeater and
>HPB. Secondly Theosophy considers man had different bodies like
>physical, astral, mental, buddhic which have equivalent terms in
>Upanishats as Sthul Sharir, Vasanamay Kosha, Manomay Kosha and
>Anandmaya Kosha. Thirdly Theosophy recognizes existence of Devas or
>Angels (these should not be confused with God) Rituals or sacraments
>form significant part of Hindu religion and they are there in
>Christianity. These rituals depend on cooperation with Devas or
>Angles. It appears that Buddhism denies existence of Devas and Angels.
>Fourthly Buddhism denies existence of God but the whole subject given
>under the name of Theosophy which literally means wisdom of the God.
>So if one takes Buddhist philosophy, lot of most important questions
>can not be answered.
Again, I have to butt in.
What most important questions cannot be answered if one takes esoteric
Buddhist (or its counterpart in theosophical) philosophy?
Maybe we should make the distinction between the so called "God" of theosophy
-- which can only refer to the *impersonal* Supreme Spirit (similar to the
Buddha's teachings that reformed Hinduism) -- and the *personal* "God" of the
Christians and Hindus... That lead to a Messianic religion with an interfering
God-creator... And, by such association, justifies a dictatorial "New World
Order" hierarchically governed religion -- as proposed by AAB -- with direct
emulation of the LCC ideas put forth by AB and CWL (that was later discredited by
Krishnamurti -- their proposed Messiah).
The Masters specifically stated that their "Secret Doctrine" teaching is
fundamentally Buddhist (in its esoteric aspects) and denies the existance of any
personal God -- as falsely believed in by the Christians, Muslims, Hindus, etc.
Besides, the word theosophy, while it could mean "Godlike Wisdom", actually
means "Divine Wisdom" -- which has no personal attributes. Therefore, it
cannot mean "Wisdom of the God" -- which implies a "personality."
Maybe as Daniel suggested, you should read all the old literature prior to AB
and CWL, compare, think, and find out for yourself what is and is not
theosophy, and whether or not theosophy is closest to Hinduism or Buddhism, or in any
way agrees with Messianic Christianity (besides the teachings of Jesus, the
Christ which is essentially identical to those of Gautama, the Buddha)... All
dead letter interpretations of the Vedas, Upanishads, and Bible, aside. (Even
the Christian Bible doesn't agree with the original oral Hebraic Old Testament
teachings.) Shows what happens when we arbitrarily slap a personal and
vengeful God idea on top of a fundamentally impersonal metaphysics based on Karmic
So, let's get real and start seeing theosophy for what it really is. And
let's stop proselytizing our own personal exoteric religious views to serious
students of theosophy (or what could be called, "Esoteric Budhiism"). In this
light, theosophy could certainly be called the "Wisdom Religion" -- but it can
never be called a God (based) Religion.
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