Theos-Talk Archives (November 2004 Message tt00197)

Hi Jerry,

This caught my eye:

I think that she would answer that we need to do what we can for
others according to and to the best of our abilities. But my
experience with her suggests that those who teach best are those who
have already attained to what they are teaching. 

Indeed, how true. We could possibly say that we are all teachers for 
each other. We only learn through our own experience, but we can gain 
information, tools, inspiration, from each other. There is always 
someone who knows more about something than we do, just as we know 
more about something than others do. Perhaps we could say that the 
more we learn to recognize the excellence in others, the more we can 
develop similar qualities in ourselves.

Adelasie

--j



Bill Meredith wrote:

>Hello Jerry,
>
>Thank you for your response. Your last question sounds like a good
>one to take into meditation. I did, and this is what came to me:
>
> I am inclined to think, tentatively, very tentatively, that what we
> may be
>able to do toward the goal of helping others to free themselves from
>any addiction, attachment, or relationship is best exemplified by 
the
>effort we continually give toward freeing ourselves from our own
>individual sets of addictions, attachments, and relationships. 
>Perhaps we are at yet another of life's crossroads and our focus on
>helping others prepares us to help ourselves by allowing us to see
>the results of the choices that lay before us on the path of our own
>creation.
>
>I would be very interested in your thoughts on these matters.
>
>
>bill
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jerry Hejka-Ekins" <jjhe@c...>
>To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:30 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World On changing headers, toxicity, etc.
>
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>>Hello Bill,
>>Thanks for your comments. See some responses below:
>>
>>Bill Meredith wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>>Hi Jerry, I have been following your discussion with interest. I
>>>have
>>> 
>>>
>had
> 
>
>>>similar discussions with Dallas in the past -- one quite recently. 

>>>I see your points and I understand your view that "the future of
>>>Theosophy depends upon this kind of dialoguing." You asked if
>>>others might chime
>>> 
>>>
>in,
> 
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>>>so I wish to offer these observations.
>>>
>>>Sometimes people are talking about different world-views even
>>>though each
>>> 
>>>
>is
> 
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>>>prone to label his/her particular view Theosophy with a capital T
>>>or in Dallas's case THEOSOPHY with all capital letters.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>Yes, and in my case I was a bit slow on the uptake. It wasn't 
until
>>after Dallas stated that he defines THEOSOPHY as synonymous with
>>TRUTH, that he was talking in terms of a divine universal, while I
>>was discussing the texts.
>>
>> 
>>
>>>In my opinion, some students may have fallen in love with a
>>>particular rendition of Theosophy. In such cases, one's thought
>>>processes become
>>> 
>>>
>like
> 
>
>>>the well-worn grooves in a phonographic record that lead logically
>>>and inevitably to the certainty one chose in the beginning. A
>>>lover's
>>> 
>>>
>mindset
> 
>
>>>is developed over time. One becomes deaf to the small "scratches"
>>>and
>>> 
>>>
>minor
> 
>
>>>"skips" in the object of one's adoration. Anyone else who notices
>>>the
>>> 
>>>
>flaws,
> 
>
>>>becomes at once out of touch with "reality," and more importantly,
>>>not harmonious with the words and music flowing logically and
>>>inevitably through the lover's phonographic mind.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>Yes, well said. I've noticed that when someone talks to me about
>>Theosophical teachings, by the time they get to the third sentence 
I
>>have already identified which Theosophical organization they have
>> dedicated themselves to. Of course, names live Purucker, Crosbie
>> and
>>Besant are giveaways, but also so are phrases like, "Original
>>Teachings", "Jesus the Avatar", "Guruparampara", and "Nirvanic
>>Plane."
>> Students have a way of becoming text bound and falling into
>> jargons,
>>which, as you are saying, are repeated until they lose touch with
>>the meanings.
>>
>> 
>>
>>>The machinery can be bumped, but the jiggle seems only momentary
>>>before
>>> 
>>>
>the
> 
>
>>>diamond point settles into that well-traveled path again.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>Great metaphor!
>>
>> 
>>
>>>In my discussions with various lovers of Theosophy I find that 
they
>>>"present" similar to lovers of Jesus or lovers of Nature or lovers
>>>of NASCAR. I have at times been able to embrace the thought
>>>processes of
>>> 
>>>
>such
> 
>
>>>lovers to satisfy my own desire to see the world from their view. 
>>>In so doing I have felt myself on a roller coaster ride of 
thought
>>>that while exhilarating the first few times around the course
>>>quickly begins to
>>> 
>>>
>settle
> 
>
>>>into a repetitive cycle that winds in grooves round and round to
>>>the same logical and inevitable certainty again and again and
>>>again.
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>Yes, and what can we do to help people to free themselves from 
their
>>"groovy" prison (pun intended), so that they can begin to use the
>>information as a means to expand their understanding? On the 
other
>>hand, perhaps some people are so comfortable in their prisons that
>>it might be an act of cruelty to try to push them out into the open
>>air. --j
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