Theos-Talk Archives (October 2004 Message tt00336)

Hallo Krishtar and all,

My views are given in the below...

from
M. Sufilight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "krishtar" <krishtar_a@brturbo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 11:45 AM
Subject: Theos-World not only theosophy


> Morten
> May I offer this POV?
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Sure. >:-)
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> Excuse my poor English, I hear and speak Portuguese 99.99% of the day...so 
> to think and write in a strange language it is not easy...
> My view is that to have a true evolving in our spirituality we not only 
> needb to read and read, the accumulative mind cannot change unless we are 
> touched by what we read.
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Yes. To only read would - on another level - be only to eat the "cherries", 
and wonder about the missing cake. >:-)
It is to provoke the theosophical experience we are concerned with.
This happens only if the Seeker pays attention as for instance mentioned in 
my previous email.
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> Our mind has got self preservative techniques, we know that the mental 
> body is made of elementals and these elementals can only change their 
> nature if you slow their activities by meditation, and substitute them for 
> finer thoughts.
> Mere readings are not enough.
> It will all depend of what to "absorb" is for you.
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Maybe the word "absorb" sometimes is better than the word "meditation", 
which often are being misunderstood by the emotional Seekers.
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> My main POV is that theosophical books do help but are not enough as long 
> as we do not perceive who we really are.
> How can we be aware of our inner essence?
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By as my last email said - paying attention.
I guess what I call "paying attention" you will call "meditation".
There is however superficial kinds of "paying attention", and problably also
superficial "meditations".

A few weeks ago I asked the question:
Was and is Idries Shah the teacher, which Blavatsky spoke about in the 
following passage ???:

"In those days the writer hardly knew the language in which the work was 
written, and the disclosure of many things, freely spoken about now, was 
forbidden. In Century the Twentieth some disciple more informed, and far 
better fitted, may be sent by the Masters of Wisdom to give final and 
irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called Gupta-Vidya; and that, 
like the once-mysterious sources of the Nile, the source of all religions 
and philosophies now known to the world "
(The Secret Doctrine, Vol. 1, Page xxxviii INTRODUCTORY.)

Nobody answered me.
I will patiently await an answer this question.


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...

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> It is into IT that most of the initiatic knkowledge is spoken.
> Otherwise we are just accumulating data in our mind.
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> Krishtar
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Morten N. Olesen
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 9:26 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Selective reading and seeking out experiences
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> Hallo all,
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> My views are:
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> The following might be helpful to some readers:
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> Learning and Non-learning
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> Q: Why is it that so many people read so much and yet are not
> changed by it? Can people not absorb theosophical information through
> the written word?
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> A: To learn something, you may have often to be exposed to it
> many times, perhaps from different perspectives; and you also
> have to give it the kind of attention which will enable you to learn.
> In our experience, people fail to learn from theosophical materials for
> the same reason that they do not learn other things - they read
> selectively.
> The things that touch them emotionally, or which they like or
> are thrilled by, they will remember or seek in greater quantity
> and depth.
> Since they are often the last materials which they will problably
> need, and since such an unbalanced attitude towards anything
> makes the person in need of balance in his approach, we have the
> situation to which you refer.
> We may at once admit that cultures or groups which seek to highlight
> crudities, things which immediately appeal, and to project them in
> attractive forms and endorse and sustain them are unlikely to
> produce, on the whole, people with appetites for other than more
> of the same thing. But this behaviour will merely perpetuate the
> same kind of personality and attitude which created it in the first
> place.
> If you have a chocolate cake decorated with say sixteen cherries, and
> you gobble up the cherries because you like them, and then want to
> know why you have not eaten the cake - what does that make
> you? And if I tell you, would you like me?
> This is the barrier to surmount. It is crossed by observing it in
> action, deciding to surmount it, and taking action to study
> comprehensively and not to pretend to be a student and then wonder
> why one has not learned.
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> from
> M. Sufilight with peace and love...
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