Theos-Talk Archives (September 2004 Message tt00817)

You forgot a detail, Gandhi was also a member of the Theosophical 
Society, and Annie Besant as much you may categorize her is 
considered the mother of India. The India people loves and respect 
her deeply, not only they are very thankful for her. 
By the way the first person to call Gandhi as Mahatma was Annie 
Besant during a meeting she organized in Adyar this is a historical 
fact. Now you may categorize Annie Besant as you wish as many do so, 
but this will not change the historical influence of Besant, and the 
place she conquered in the heart of the Indian people.

Erica



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "john_hopkinsphd_2000" 
<john_hopkinsphd_2000@y...> wrote:
> Reg."I would think it would be a grave mistake if Theosophy becomes
> imbroiled in politics."
> 
> I agree, it better remains as it is officially called, a New 
> Religious Movement (NRM)
> 
> But even if, they would have no effect out in the world, at least 
as 
> is evidenced by the few in the past that tried.
> 
> The only one that did Julius Evola (by default), his support for 
> terrorism and his closest student Freda, where responsible for the 
> dead of many people during the 1960-1990 period.
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Koshek Swaminathan" 
> <arasophia@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I would think it would be a grave mistake if Theosophy becomes 
> > imbroiled in politics.
> > 
> > The second objective should not be subverted to this end.
> > 
> > To understand the Theosophical viewpoint it may help to know 
> > something of the the time of Socrates. At the time, democracy 
> brought 
> > on the rise of the Sophists who believed that every thing in 
life 
> was 
> > only worth debating in terms of politics. They were not 
interested 
> in 
> > any kind of absolute truth, but developed the capacity for 
> arguement 
> > to convince the populus for political ends. Science and religion 
> were 
> > only means, not an end in itself. 
> > 
> > Socrates, on the other hand, believed that there was an absolute 
> > truth that one must make an effort to approach. His method 
showed 
> an 
> > indifference to the result. This was threatening to the status 
quo 
> of 
> > the time. 
> > 
> > As soon as someone has a political angle or agenda, the natural 
> > movement of his thoughts is towards Sophistry. He starts with 
the 
> end 
> > results and finds arguements that will fulfill them. He ignores 
> all 
> > contradictory information and becomes more interested in his 
> > influence than if he is stating the truth.
> > 
> > This is why in all ancient esoteric orders they refrain from all 
> > discussion of politics. As every Freemason would know, talking 
> > politics is strictly forbidden in a lodge room. 
> > 
> > So I would say that political discussion is not in harmony with 
> the 
> > objectives of Theosophy.
> > 
> > Koshek 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Erica Letzerich 
> <eletzerich@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > The second object of the T.S. is the comparative studies of 
> > religion, philosophy and science, politics are also a science, 
so 
> any 
> > discussion related to politic systems are in perfect accordance 
> with 
> > the objects of the T.S. Also the first object of the T.S. 
> Universal 
> > Brotherhood is also close related to the society, so to discuss 
> about 
> > social problems and politics under the light of the perennial 
> > philosophy it seems to me to be in perfect harmony with the 
> objects 
> > of the T.S.
> > > 
> > > Erica 
> > > 
> > > prmoliveira <prmoliveira@y...> wrote:
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten N. Olesen" 
> > theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > First things first.
> > > > 
> > > > We are perhaps entitled to know, What suggestion are you 
> talking 
> > > about?
> > > > You deleted my email in your reply.
> > > > 
> > > > And:
> > > > It is as far as I see it MHL 78 in A.P. Sinnetts at 
> > > > http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-con.htm
> > > 
> > > I was trying to show that the Mahatmas were not averted from 
> > politics 
> > > and did act politically when necessary.
> > > 
> > > Letter #78 becomes Letter #99 in the 1993 edition of "The 
> Mahatma 
> > > Letters to A. P. Sinnett" in chronological sequence 
> (Theosophical 
> > > Publishing House, Manila, The Philippines). 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Pedro
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Erica Letzerich .'.
> > > 
> > > 
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