Theos-Talk Archives (September 2004 Message tt00814)

Sorry correct me if I am wrong, is not politics a science? Is the 
second object of the T.S. the comparative studies of religion, 
philosophy and science? If someone wants to make a comparative study 
of the political systems is that not in accordance with the second 
object of the T.S.? 

Annie Besant in her booklet the future of Socialism have written 
very interesting arguments, and completly coerent with the first and 
second object of the T.S.

To discuss about politics under the light of the perennial 
philosophy does not means that we or the society would get involved 
in politics, refer to the T.S. policy of freedom of thought. 


Erica

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Koshek Swaminathan" 
<arasophia@y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> I would think it would be a grave mistake if Theosophy becomes 
> imbroiled in politics.
> 
> The second objective should not be subverted to this end.
> 
> To understand the Theosophical viewpoint it may help to know 
> something of the the time of Socrates. At the time, democracy 
brought 
> on the rise of the Sophists who believed that every thing in life 
was 
> only worth debating in terms of politics. They were not interested 
in 
> any kind of absolute truth, but developed the capacity for 
arguement 
> to convince the populus for political ends. Science and religion 
were 
> only means, not an end in itself. 
> 
> Socrates, on the other hand, believed that there was an absolute 
> truth that one must make an effort to approach. His method showed 
an 
> indifference to the result. This was threatening to the status quo 
of 
> the time. 
> 
> As soon as someone has a political angle or agenda, the natural 
> movement of his thoughts is towards Sophistry. He starts with the 
end 
> results and finds arguements that will fulfill them. He ignores 
all 
> contradictory information and becomes more interested in his 
> influence than if he is stating the truth.
> 
> This is why in all ancient esoteric orders they refrain from all 
> discussion of politics. As every Freemason would know, talking 
> politics is strictly forbidden in a lodge room. 
> 
> So I would say that political discussion is not in harmony with 
the 
> objectives of Theosophy.
> 
> Koshek 
> 
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> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Erica Letzerich 
<eletzerich@y...> 
> wrote:
> > The second object of the T.S. is the comparative studies of 
> religion, philosophy and science, politics are also a science, so 
any 
> discussion related to politic systems are in perfect accordance 
with 
> the objects of the T.S. Also the first object of the T.S. 
Universal 
> Brotherhood is also close related to the society, so to discuss 
about 
> social problems and politics under the light of the perennial 
> philosophy it seems to me to be in perfect harmony with the 
objects 
> of the T.S.
> > 
> > Erica 
> > 
> > prmoliveira <prmoliveira@y...> wrote:
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten N. Olesen" 
> theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > First things first.
> > > 
> > > We are perhaps entitled to know, What suggestion are you 
talking 
> > about?
> > > You deleted my email in your reply.
> > > 
> > > And:
> > > It is as far as I see it MHL 78 in A.P. Sinnetts at 
> > > http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-con.htm
> > 
> > I was trying to show that the Mahatmas were not averted from 
> politics 
> > and did act politically when necessary.
> > 
> > Letter #78 becomes Letter #99 in the 1993 edition of "The 
Mahatma 
> > Letters to A. P. Sinnett" in chronological sequence 
(Theosophical 
> > Publishing House, Manila, The Philippines). 
> > 
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> > Pedro
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> > Erica Letzerich .'.
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