Theos-Talk Archives (August 2004 Message tt00753)

"True knowledge has to be gained through an increasing perception of the
universality of all law and universal line of progress for every being of
whatever grade. ... The thought and motive must be that which makes for the
good of all beings. What has been given to us in the philosophy of
Theosophy is for the purpose of arousing the attention of that Center within
us which can see, which can know and which can do, when it resumes its own
nature and status. For there is a deep knowledge of all these things in the
soul of every human being and the soul knows what it needs; it can
understand when the brain can not understand; it can feel when the senses
are not capable of transmitting feeling. ... Only when we realize that we
are a part of the Great Chain of being, that no one of us is unnecessary and
no one can drop out, that the development is one for all, that we are all
from the same Source and going towards the same goal; only when we shall
think and act from that basis, will we move onward with the great force
proceeding from the Center in that true direction which leads to
enlightenment and power."

Crosbie Robert; THE FRIENDLY PHILOSOPHER; pp287-288

From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" <danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:02 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Pedro again on "ORIGINAL TEACHINGS"


> Pedro,
>
> Thanks for your latest reply.
>
> I too like the two quotes you give and
> certainly agree with them.
>
> But even when considering the implications of what
> those two quotes point toward,
> we STILL have the OTHER various statements by
> Master KH and and HPB that I have
> given in my post at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/18249
>
> What are the IMPLICATIONS of what they
> were writing in THOSE instances?
>
> Are you suggesting that what HPB and KH
> were writing was or is meaningless?
>
> When KH and HPB wrote about:
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> "wild and fanciful speculation" about Theosophy
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> "erroneous notions" about Theosophy
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> "garbled and distorted versions" of Theosophy
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> "false ideas" grafted onto Theosophy
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> "disfigured" expositions of Theosophy
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> "imitations of Occultism and Theosophy"
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> they must have been trying to convey SOMETHING....
> somemeaning....
>
> What were they GETTING AT?
>
> And what could we reasonably conclude
> from these statements?
>
> Either they were making some kind of
> POINT or we just have meaningless words?
>
> Pedro, you also comment:
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> "An independent observer might see that
> your attitude to Theosophy and
> its 'original teachings' is becoming
> increasingly theological,
> sectarian and crystallized."
>
> Maybe so but may not.
>
> But I did NOT write these statements.
> HPB and KH did.
>
> Are you suggesting to us that you
> view these statements by HPB and KH
> as "theological, sectarian and crystallized"?
>
> You also state:
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> "You may go on with your campaign to denounce the writings of Annie
> Besant and C. W. Leadbeater as 'garbled and distorted versions' of
> Theosophy, but please don't expect me to be a part of it."
>
> But Pedro it was you yourself who brought up to Dallas the
> issue of original teachings.
>
> And these statements that I posted certainly suggest that
> both KH and HPB knew of an original teaching and they were more
> than willing to point out and even correct erroneous and mistaken
> notions that "garbled" or "distorted" the original.
>
> When HPB writes of FALSE ideas, surely we could
> reaonably conclude that there were OTHER ideas that
> she considered TRUE. Or was she just writing
> meaningless nonsense?
>
> All I was trying to get from you was YOUR opinion on
> what HPB and KH were writing about in these instances.
>
> But I guess I must conclude that you are as reticent
> to deal with this topic as you are reticent to deal
> with the evidence concerning Mr. Leadbeater's birth date.
>
> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
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> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "prmoliveira" <prmoliveira@y...>
> wrote:
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel H. Caldwell"
> > <danielhcaldwell@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > But as far as I can tell, you have chosen to
> > > ignore the serious issues to be found in what both
> > > Madame Blavatsky and the Mahatma Koot Hoomi
> > > wrote about:
> > >
> > > "wild and fanciful speculation" about Theosophy
> > >
> > > "erroneous notions" about Theosophy
> > >
> > > "garbled and distorted versions" of Theosophy
> > >
> > > "false ideas" grafted onto Theosophy
> > >
> > > "disfigured" expositions of Theosophy
> > >
> > > "imitations of Occultism and Theosophy"
> > >
> > > I again invite your atttention to what they
> > > wrote which has been posted at:
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/18249
> >
> >
> > An independent observer might see that your attitude to Theosophy
> and
> > its 'original teachings' is becoming increasingly theological,
> > sectarian and crystallized. It seems to replicate, for example, the
> > Church's attitude to the different Gnostics groups in the early
> > Christian era by establishing a definitive and granite-like
> Theology
> > that must be accepted as the only true and real benchmark of the
> > Christian tradition.
> >
> > In one of her letters to the American Conventions (April 1888),
> > Madame Blavstky wrote:
> >
> > "Orthodoxy in Theosophy is a thing neither possible nor desirable.
> It
> > is diversity of opinion, within certain limits, that keeps the
> > Theosophical Society a living and a healthy body, its many other
> ugly
> > features notwithstanding. Were it not, also, for the existence of a
> > large amount of uncertainty in the minds of students of Theosophy,
> > such healthy divergencies would be impossible, and the Society
> would
> > degenerate into a sect, in which a narrow and stereotyped creed
> would
> > take the place of the living and breathing spirit of Truth and an
> > ever growing Knowledge."
> >
> > You may go on with your campaign to denounce the writings of Annie
> > Besant and C. W. Leadbeater as "garbled and distorted versions" of
> > Theosophy, but please don't expect me to be a part of it.
> >
> > Personally, I find useful as a guideline in my studies the advice
> > given by St. Paul (and quoted by Madame Blavatsky in "Isis
> Unveiled",
> > vol. II, p. 84):
> >
> > "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (1 Thess. 5.21)
> >
> >
> > Pedro
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