Theos-Talk Archives (August 2004 Message tt00361)

Hallo Dallas and all,

My views are:

Beautiful.
Maybe one aught to make a small phamplet out of these quotes, with a proper
title, so this issue isn't that easy forgotten by the pupils.
I think the quote from "TRANSACTIONS OF THE BLAVATSKY LODGE, p. 60" is one
of the most important writings Blavatsky have ever made, and she hardly
refers to any sources. This is the real Blavatsky.

The story named "Karmic Visions" by Blavatsky are online here:
http://www.theosophical.ca/KarmicVisions.htm
Just one interesting excerpt, that shows Blavatsky level of knowledge:
"NEW ERA: 970,995 YEARS SINCE THE INSTANTANEOUS DESTRUCTION BY
PNEUMO-DYNO-VRIL OF THE LAST 2,000,000 OF SOLDIERS IN THE FIELD, ON THE
WESTERN PORTION OF THE GLOBE. 971,000 SOLAR YEARS SINCE THE SUBMERSION OF
THE EUROPEAN CONTINENTS AND ISLES. SUCH ARE THE DECREE OF ORLOG AND THE
ANSWER OF SKULD . . . "

She certainly watches her child TS and its various branches.
Now to many readers most of this will be a hypothesis.
And let it then rest there.
But good thoughts and deeds are always rewarded.


from
M. Sufilight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "W.Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@e...>
To: <ham>; <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 6:08 AM
Subject: ham,RE: ham, Theos-World RE: [bn-study] Re: TIME & EVOLUTION and
freedom


> Aug 19 2004
>
>
>
> Dear friend M:
>
>
>
> Re Transcendental Time and Evolution
>
>
>
> I think we experience both all the time and are mainly unaware of their
> passage.
>
>
>
> Our present evolution is concerned with mastering experience in the
present
> frame-work, [this means developing discrimination through the deliberated
> use of right motive, or VIRTUE in all aspects of daily living] and, when
the
> time comes for understanding the extra-sensory (for the present)
experiences
> it will only occur when those senses and the necessary purity of motive
> (un-selfishness of all motives, brotherhood, and the desire to help
others)
> have been developed.
>
>
>
> It is hinted, I believe that the "path to adeptship" leads through such
> extra-sensory experiences. So -- all in good time. We have to first refine
> the "tools" we have at hand. No fanciful adventures yet.
>
>
>
> If you wish to have one of those hints, then read carefully the passage
in
> HPB's TRANSACTIONS OF THE BLAVATSKY LODGE, pp. 60-69. and even beyond to
p.
> 78. This will open up for consideration the matter of "Dreams," and
> dreaming.
>
>
>
> Meditation, (I mean DEEP thinking) leading to samadhi and turiya are other
> areas. These are hinted at in S D I 157-8 and elsewhere. One ought to
use
> the S D INDEX to assist in such research.
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
>
> Dallas
>
>
>
> --------------------------------
>
>
>
> see this: (from TRANSACTIONS OF THE BLAVATSKY LODGE, p. 60 )
>
>
>
>
>
> A. The nature and functions of real dreams cannot be understood unless we
> admit the existence of an immortal Ego in mortal man, independent of the
> physical body, for the subject becomes quite unintelligible unless we
> believe-that which is a fact-that during sleep there remains only an
> animated form of clay, whose powers of independent thinking are utterly
> paralyzed.
>
>
>
> But if we admit the existence of a higher or permanent Ego in us-which Ego
> must not be confused with what we call the "Higher Self," we can
comprehend
> that what we often regard as dreams, generally accepted as idle fancies,
> are, in truth, stray pages torn out from the life and experiences of the
> inner man, and the dim recollection of which at the moment of awakening
> becomes more or less distorted by our physical memory. The latter catches
> mechanically a few impressions of the thoughts, facts witnessed, and deeds
> performed by the inner man during its hours of complete freedom. For our
Ego
> lives its own separate life within its prison of clay whenever it becomes
> free from the trammels of matter, i.e., during the sleep of the physical
> man. This Ego it is which is the actor, the real man, the true human self.
> But the physical man cannot feel or be conscious during dreams; for the
> personality, the outer man, with its brain and thinking apparatus, are
> paralyzed more or less completely.
>
>
>
> We might well compare the real Ego to a prisoner, and the physical
> personality to the gaoler of his prison. If the gaoler falls asleep, the
> prisoner escapes, or, at least, passes outside the walls of his prison.
The
> gaoler is half asleep, and looks nodding all the time out of a window,
> through which he can catch only occasional glimpses of his prisoner, as he
> would a kind of shadow moving in front of it. But what can he perceive,
and
> what can he know of the real actions, and especially the thoughts, of his
> charge?
>
>
>
> Q. Do not the thoughts of the one impress themselves upon the other?
>
>
>
> A. Not during sleep, at all events; for the real Ego does not think as his
> evanescent and temporary personality does. During the waking hours the
> thoughts and Voice of the Higher Ego do or do not reach his gaoler- the
> physical man, for they are the Voice of his Conscience, but during his
sleep
> they are absolutely the "Voice in the desert." In the thoughts of the real
> man, or the immortal "Individuality," the pictures and visions of the Past
> and Future are as the Present; nor are his thoughts like ours, subjective
> pictures in our cerebration, but living acts and deeds, present
actualities.
> They are realities, even as they were when speech expressed in sounds did
> not exist; when thoughts were things, and men did not need to express them
> in speeches; for they instantly realized themselves in action by the power
> of Kriya-Sakti, that mysterious power which transforms instantaneously
ideas
> into visible forms, and these were as objective to the "man" of the early
> third Race as objects of sight are now to us.
>
>
>
> Q. How, then, does Esoteric Philosophy account for the transmission of
even
> a few fragments of those thoughts of the Ego to our physical memory which
it
> sometimes retains?
>
>
>
> A. All such are reflected on the brain of the sleeper, like outside
shadows
> on the canvas walls of a tent, which the occupier sees as he wakes. Then
the
> man thinks that he has dreamed all that, and feels as though he had lived
> through something, while in reality it is the thought-actions of the true
> Ego which he has dimly perceived. As he becomes fully awake, his
> recollections become with every minute more distorted, and mingle with the
> images projected from the physical brain, under the action of the stimulus
> which causes the sleeper to awaken. These recollections, by the power of
> association, set in motion various trains of ideas.
>
>
>
> Q. It is difficult to see how the Ego can be acting during the night
things
> which have taken place long ago. Was it not stated that dreams are not
> subjective?
>
>
>
> A. How can they be subjective when the dream state is itself for us, and
on
> our plane, at any rate, a subjective one? To the dreamer (the Ego), on his
> own plane, the things on that plane are as objective to him as our acts
are
> to us.
>
> Q. What are the senses which act in dreams?
>
> A. The senses of the sleeper receive occasional shocks, and are awakened
> into mechanical action; what he hears and sees are, as has been said, a
> distorted reflection of the thoughts of the Ego. The latter is highly
> spiritual, and is linked very closely with the higher principles, Buddhi
and
> Atma. These higher principles are entirely inactive on our plane, and the
> higher Ego (Manas) itself is more or less dormant during the waking of the
> physical man. This is especially the case with persons of very
materialistic
> mind. So dormant are the Spiritual faculties, because the Ego is so
> trammelled by matter, that It can hardly give all its attention to the
man's
> actions, even should the latter commit sins for which that Ego-when
reunited
> with its lower Manas-will have to suffer conjointly in the future. It is,
as
> I said,
>
> the impressions projected into the physical man by this Ego which
constitute
> what we call "conscience"; and in proportion as the Personality, the lower
> Soul (or Manas), unites itself to its higher consciousness, or EGO, does
the
> action of the latter upon the life of mortal man become more marked.
>
>
>
>
>
> Q. This Ego, then, is the "Higher Ego"?
>
>
>
> A. Yes; it is the higher Manas illuminated by Buddhi; the principle of
> self-consciousness, the "I-am-I," in short. It is the Karana-Sarira, the
> immortal man, which passes from one incarnation to another.
>
>
>
>
>
> Q. Is the "register" or "tablet of memory" for the true dream-state
> different from that of waking life?
>
>
>
> A. Since dreams are in reality the actions of the Ego during physical
sleep,
> they are, of course, recorded on their own plane and produce their
> appropriate effects on this one. But it must be always remembered that
> dreams in general, and as we know them, are simply our waking and hazy
> recollections of these facts.
>
>
>
> It often happens, indeed, that we have no recollection of having dreamt at
> all, but later in the day the remembrance of the dream will suddenly flash
> upon us. Of this there are many causes. It is analogous to what sometimes
> happens to every one of us. Often a sensation, a smell, even a casual
noise,
> or a sound, brings instantaneously to our mind long-forgotten events,
scenes
> and persons. Something of what was seen, done, or thought by the
> "night-performer," the Ego, impressed itself at that time on the physical
> brain, but was not brought into the conscious, waking memory, owing to
some
> physical condition or obstacle. This impression is registered on the brain
> in its appropriate cell or nerve-center, but owing to some accidental
> circumstance it "hangs fire," so to say, till something gives it the
needed
> impulse. Then the brain slips it off immediately into the conscious memory
> of the waking man; for as soon as the conditions required are supplied,
that
> particular center starts forthwith into activity, and does the work which
it
> had to do, but was hindered at the time from completing.
>
>
>
>
>
> Q. How does this process take place?
>
>
>
> A. There is a sort of conscious telegraphic communication going on
> incessantly, day and night, between the physical brain and the inner man.
> The brain is such a complex thing, both physically and metaphysically,
that
> it is like a tree whose bark you can remove layer by layer, each layer
being
> different from all the others, and each having its own special work,
> function, and properties.
>
>
>
>
>
> Q. What distinguishes the "dreaming" memory and imagination from those of
> waking consciousness?
>
>
>
> A. During sleep the physical memory and imagination are of course passive,
> because the dreamer is asleep: his brain is asleep, his memory is asleep,
> all his functions are dormant and at rest. It is only when they are
> stimulated, as I told you, that they are aroused. Thus the consciousness
of
> the sleeper is not active, but passive. The inner man, however, the real
> Ego, acts independently during the sleep of the body; but it is doubtful
if
> any of us-unless thoroughly acquainted with the physiology of occultism-
> could understand the nature of its action.
>
>
>
>
>
> Q. What relation have the Astral Light and Akasa to memory?
>
>
>
> A. The former is the "tablet of the memory" of the animal man, the latter
of
> the spiritual Ego. The "dreams" of the Ego, as much as the acts of the
> physical man, are all recorded, since both are actions based on causes and
> producing results. Our "dreams," being simply the waking state and actions
> of the true Self, must be, of course, recorded somewhere. Read "Karmic
> Visions" in Lucifer,* and note
>
>
>
> [*Reprinted in "Theosophy" magazine for September, 1915.]
>
>
>
> the description of the real Ego, sitting as a spectator of the life of the
> hero, and perhaps something will strike you.
>
>
>
>
>
> Q. What, in reality, is the Astral Light?
>
>
>
> A. As the Esoteric Philosophy teaches us, the Astral Light is simply the
> dregs of Akasa or the Universal Ideation in its metaphysical sense. Though
> invisible, it is yet, so to speak, the phosphorescent radiation of the
> latter, and is the medium between it and man's thought-faculties. It is
> these which pollute the Astral Light, and make it what it is-the
storehouse
> of all human and especially psychic iniquities. In its primordial genesis,
> the astral light as a radiation is quite pure, though the lower it
descends
> approaching our terrestrial sphere, the more it differentiates, and
becomes
> as a result impure in its very constitution. But man helps considerably to
> this pollution, and gives it back its essence far worse than when he
> received it.
>
>
>
>
>
> Q. Can you explain to us how it is related to man, and its action in
> dream-life?
>
>
>
> A. Differentiation in the physical world is infinite. Universal
ideation-or
> Mahat, if you like it-sends its homogeneous radiation into the
heterogeneous
> world, and this reaches the human or personal minds through the Astral
> Light.
>
>
>
>
>
> Q. But do not our minds receive their illuminations direct from the Higher
> Manas through the Lower? And is not the former the pure emanation of
divine
> Ideation-the "Manasa-Putras," which incarnated in men?
>
>
>
> A. They are. Individual Manasa-Putras or the Kumaras are the direct
> radiations of the divine Ideation-"individual" in the sense of later
> differentiation, owing to numberless incarnations. In sum they are the
> collective aggregation of that Ideation, become on our plane, or from our
>
> point of view, Mahat, as the Dhyan-Chohans are in their aggregate the WORD
> or "Logos" in the formation of the World. Were the Personalities (Lower
> Manas or the physical minds) to be inspired and illumined solely by their
> higher alter Egos there would be little sin in this world. But they are
not;
> and getting entangled in the meshes of the Astral Light, they separate
> themselves more and more from their parent Egos. Read and study what
Eliphas
> Levi says of the Astral Light, which he calls Satan and the Great Serpent.
> The Astral Light has been taken too literally to mean some sort of a
second
> blue sky. This imaginary space, however, on which are impressed the
> countless images of all that ever was, is, and will be, is but a too sad
> reality. It becomes in, and for, man-if at all psychic-and who is not?-a
> tempting Demon, his "evil angel," and the inspirer of all our worst deeds.
> It acts on the will of even the sleeping man, through visions impressed
upon
> his slumbering brain (which visions must not be confused with the
"dreams"),
> and these germs bear their fruit when he awakes.
>
>
>
>
>
> Q. What is the part played by Will in dreams?
>
>
>
> A. The will of the outer man, our volition, is of course dormant and
> inactive during dreams; but a certain bent can be given to the slumbering
> will during its inactivity, and certain after-results developed by the
> mutual inter-action-produced almost mechanically-through union between two
> or more "principles" into one, so that they will act in perfect harmony,
> without any friction or a single false note, when awake. But this is one
of
> the dodges of "black magic," and when used for good purposes belongs to
the
> training of an Occultist. One must be far advanced on the "path" to have a
> will which can act consciously during his physical sleep, or act on the
will
> of another person during the sleep of the latter, e.g., to control his
> dreams, and thus control his actions when awake.
>
>
>
>
>
> Q. We are taught that a man can unite all his "principles" into one-what
> does this mean?
>
>
>
> A. When an adept succeeds in doing this he is a Jivanmukta: he is no more
of
> this earth virtually, and becomes a Nirvanee, who can go into Samadhi at
> will. Adepts are generally classed by the number of "principles" they have
> under their perfect control, for that which we call will has its seat in
the
> higher EGO, and the latter, when it is rid of its sin-laden personality,
is
> divine and pure.
>
>
>
>
>
> Q. What part does Karma play in dreams? In India they say that every man
> receives the reward or punishment of all his acts, both in the waking and
> the dream state.
>
>
>
> A. If they say so, it is because they have preserved in all their purity
and
> remembered the traditions of their forefathers. They know that the Self is
> the real Ego, and that it lives and acts, though on a different plane. The
> external life is a "dream" to this Ego, while the inner life, or the life
on
> what we call the dream plane, is the real life for it. And so the Hindus
> (the profane, of course) say that Karma is generous, and rewards the real
> man in dreams as well as it does the false personality in physical life.
>
>
>
>
>
> Q. What is the difference, "karmically," between the two?
>
>
>
> A. The physical animal man is as little responsible as a dog or a mouse.
For
> the bodily form all is over with the death of the body. But the real SELF,
> that which emanated its own shadow, or the lower thinking personality,
that
> enacted and pulled the wires during the life of the physical automaton,
will
> have to suffer conjointly with its factotum and alter ego in its next
> incarnation.
>
>
>
>
>
> Q. But the two, the higher and the lower, Manas are one, are they not?
>
>
>
> A. They are, and yet they are not-and that is the great mystery. The
Higher
> Manas or EGO is essentially divine, and therefore pure; no stain can
pollute
> it, as no punishment can reach it, per se, the more so since it is
innocent
> of, and takes no part in, the deliberate transactions of its Lower Ego.
Yet
> by the very fact that, though dual and during life the Higher is distinct
> from the Lower, "the Father and Son" are one, and because that in
reuniting
> with the parent Ego, the Lower Soul fastens upon and impresses upon it all
> its bad as well as good actions-both have to suffer, the Higher Ego,
though
> innocent and without blemish, has to bear the punishment of the misdeeds
> committed by the lower Self together with it in their future incarnation.
> The whole doctrine of atonement is built upon this old esoteric tenet; for
> the Higher Ego is the antitype of that which is on this earth the type,
> namely, the personality. It is, for those who understand it, the old Vedic
> story of Visvakarman over again, practically demonstrated. Visvakarman,
the
> all-seeing Father-God, who is beyond the comprehension of mortals, ends,
as
> son of Bhuvana, the holy Spirit, by sacrificing himself to himself, to
save
> the worlds. The mystic name of the "Higher Ego" is, in the Indian
> philosophy, Kshetrajna, or "embodied Spirit," that which knows or informs
> kshetra, "the body." Etymologize the name, and you will find in it the
term
> aja, "first-born," and also the "lamb." All this is very suggestive, and
> volumes might be written upon the pregenetic and postgenetic development
of
> type and antitype-of Christ-Kshetrajna, the "God-Man," the First-born,
> symbolized as the "lamb." The Secret Doctrine shows that the Manasa-Putras
> or incarnating EGOS have taken upon themselves, voluntarily and knowingly,
> the burden of all the future sins of their future personalities. Thence it
> is easy to see that it is neither Mr. A. nor Mr. B., nor any of the
> personalities that periodically clothe the Self-Sacrificing EGO, which are
> the real Sufferers, but verily the innocent Christos within us. Hence the
> mystic Hindus say that the Eternal Self, or the Ego (the one in three and
> three in one), is the "Charioteer" or driver; the personalities are the
> temporary and evanescent passengers; while the horses are the animal
> passions of man. It is, then, true to say that when we remain deaf to the
> Voice of our Conscience, we crucify the Christos within us. But let us
> return to dreams.
>
>
>
> Q. Are so-called prophetic dreams a sign that the dreamer has strong
> clairvoyant faculties?
>
>
>
> A. It may be said, in the case of persons who have truly prophetic dreams,
> that it is because their physical brains and memory are in closer relation
> and sympathy with their "Higher Ego" than in the generality of men. The
> Ego-Self has more facilities for impressing upon the physical shell and
> memory that which is of importance to such persons than it has in the case
> of other less gifted persons. Remember that the only God man comes in
> contact with is his own God, called Spirit, Soul and Mind, or
Consciousness,
> and these three are one.
>
>
>
> But there are weeds that must be destroyed in order that a plant may grow.
> We must die, said St. Paul, that we may live again. It is through
> destruction that we may improve, and the three powers, the preserving, the
> creating and the destroying, are only so many aspects of the divine spark
> within man.
>
>
>
>
>
> Q. Do Adepts dream?
>
>
>
> A. No advanced Adept dreams. An adept is one who has obtained mastery over
> his four lower principles, including his body, and does not, therefore,
let
> flesh have its own way. He simply paralyzes his lower Self during Sleep,
and
> becomes perfectly free. A dream, as we understand it, is an illusion.
Shall
> an adept, then, dream when he has rid himself of every other illusion? In
> his sleep he simply lives on another and more real plane.
>
> TRANSACTIONS OF THE BLAVATSKY LODGE. Pp. 60 -69
>
> =================================
>
>
>
> best wshes,
>
>
>
> Dallas
>
>
>
> ==================================
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Morten N
>
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 6:19 AM
> To:
> Subject: [bn-study] Re: TIME & EVOLUTION and freedom
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>
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>
>
> Hallo Dallas and all,
>
>
>
> My views are:
>
>
>
> I think you have misunderstood me.
>
> I talked about --- the experience of "time" and "evolution".
>
> So what about the --- expereince of transcended time and evolution ?
>
> ...You know you will have to expereince it...
>
> If Blavatsky wrote a lot about that then allright. I havn't seen exactly
>
> that mentioned much thouh.
>
> Yes. She wrote a lot about "time" and "evolution", but that was not what I
>
> referred to.
>
>
>
>
>
> from
>
> M. Sufilight
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