Theos-Talk Archives (August 2004 Message tt00259)

Hallo Dallas and all,

My views are:

I still fail to see, why what I wrote about harlots being more in touch with
the masters havn't any importance to it.
Why do your below answer as it appears seek to give the readers such an
impression ?

Let me say it as clear as possible Dallas:
To me and many others the below mentioned Theosophical books are the most
A-sexual and A-humouristic stimulating spiritual material of quality
we have. No wonder why Blavatsky never really got fucked. (smile...)
These books are because of that quite often being praised the MOST by
non-sexual and even A-humouristic minded people.
For instance - those with an aura of a nun or a monk, and those with big
brains and no real compassion in life - even if they delute themselves into
thinking, that they are past the second or third initiation...
To say, that these books, which you mention in the below are that important
which you quote a Master saying --- is just a sign on that you in reality
are fooling
yourselves and others. Some people like to be fooled. The Master said what
he said, because the Theosophical Society was needed back then in 1875.
Today we have a different view upon issues like Authorities, sleeping,
Sexology + sexual relationships of all sorts, psychology and Brainwashing,
and what I call ---- the problems with a dogmatic presentation of the wisdom
tradition.


Here is an example of what I am talking about.

---
Dallas wrote:
"If individually, we don't study the ORIGINAL LITERATURE, by which I mean
H P B's writings as ORIGINALLY written, we really have little to base
ourselves on.

We have original reprints of ISIS UNVEILED, The SECRET DOCTRINE, The KEY
TO THEOSOPHY, The VOICE OF THE SILENCE, and all her known articles, and most
of her letters.

Taken all together it is a treasure house; "

---
Let me ask you:
- How much time do you each week spend on this "treasure house" of yours,
which you tend to highlight so much ?
- How much time do you spend on sleeping each day ?
- How much time do you each week spend on love and unselfish activities.
Sexual relations included ?
- Bottom line: How much time do you each day spend on NOT reading any of
those so very important books with their dogmatic content of Karma,
Reincarnation manvantaras, Pralayas and what not ? --- And what do you do
the most ?
- So why is it, that I and many others keep feeling, that the so very
important books are missing some very important spiritual ingredients, which
we often get elsewhere in our lifes ? --- And is studying these missing
ingredients not vital, before one comes around telling people, that they are
not important ?
- Why is there so little material on sleeping, Sexology + sexual
relationships of all sorts, psychology and brainwashing, and what I
call ---- the problems with a dogmatic presentation of the wisdom
tradition --- (ie. claiming that Karma, Reincarnation, Mavantaras and
Pralayas are real) ???

No need to answer. I just suggest, that you and the readers consider these
questions ?
Hopefully some of you will learn or have already learned.


--- You know nuns and monks are married to God in their chamber mind and Not
married to God in the world.
Your (or some of you) chamber being the theosophical books and a Teosophical
organisation. ---

*******

--- What never happens in Theosophical organisations ---
Three nuns were in the church the other day and the 1st nun says, "I was
going through the Father's office and do you know what I found? A bunch of
pornographic magazines!"
"What did you do?" the other nuns asked.
"Well, of course I threw them in the trash."
The second nun said, "Well, I can top that. I was in Father's room putting
away the laundry and I found a bunch of condoms!"
"Oh my!" gasped the other nuns.
"What did you do?" they asked.
"I poked holes in all of them!" she replied.
The third nun fainted.
*******
Well...never say never...

---
Does the Harlot in my aura bother you ?
No worries - I will let the nun put her to her place.



from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "W.Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: <ham>; "AA-BNStudy" <study@blavatsky.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 3:00 PM
Subject: ham,RE: Theos-World Harlots at Theos-Talk...


> Aug 15 2004
>
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> Re Studying Theosophy:
>
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> Dear and Friends, and M--- :
>
>
> "Theosophist is who Theosophy does." {an old adage}
>
>
> The designation "Theosophist" in its most accurate sense is one which
> applies only to the Masters of Wisdom -- who KNOW it fully, and
invariably
> apply it in all They say and do..
>
> All of us are " STUDENTS OF THEOSOPHY."
>
> If individually, we don't study the ORIGINAL LITERATURE, by which I mean
> H P B's writings as ORIGINALLY written, we really have little to base
> ourselves on.
>
> We have original reprints of ISIS UNVEILED, The SECRET DOCTRINE, The KEY
> TO THEOSOPHY, The VOICE OF THE SILENCE, and all her known articles, and
most
> of her letters.
>
> Taken all together it is a treasure house; and if we mine it, we will
> acquire an ability to grasp how THEOSOPHY is in reality a report, most
> carefully presented, so as to explain all the many mysterious workings of
> our world and universe -- and, also, our own personal psychology, and,
more
> wonderful and useful -- the nature of our inner BEING.]
>
> Many authors have tried to interpret HPB's works -- and some do better
than
> others. Most fail because of individual notions and slants of view. If
we
> have a knowledge that we have consolidated as to what THEOSOPHY is (at
least
> its basic concepts and logic) we will have difficulty discovering
precisely
> what these second, and third, and later generations of writers on
Theosophy,
> are saying -- how much of what they offer is really true to the ORIGINAL
> THEOSOPHY. And, how much is their own set of opinions and guesses.
>
> The real problem arises then: how many who read such material are led
> astray? How many have learned to develop independence of thought? How can
> anyone get back to the ORIGINAL TEACHINGS ?
>
> [Consider the search for, and the study of original Biblical and
Christian,
> Gnostic, Hebrew, Jewish, and other contemporaneous texts. [Like the Nag
> Hemadri scrolls, the Dead Sea scrolls, and others. ] Jesus wrote nothing
and
> all we have are a series (differing in many respects one from the rest) of
> reports from his close students: the "Apostles, etc..." On this a Church
(or
> rather a series of Churches) have been built in the past 2,000 + years.
> Since belief and faith in priestly interpretations (ask no questions!! --
> don't be a "heretic") has been insisted on, most of the "flock" has been
> discouraged from THINKING about the biblical accounts, and STUDYING them.
> Consolidation of original text meanings are now sought for. Why has the
> "Old Testament" been attached to the "Teachings of Jesus -- the Son of God
> ?" Who studies Jesus's actual words and injunctions, -- as in the "Sermon
> on the Mount," and, more important still: Who applies them?]
>
> In the history of the current movement represented by THEOSOPHY, hardly
125
> years have elapsed since HPB wrote. The spread of opinions and guesses is
> already vast. Why not consolidate and focus on WHAT THE MASTERS HAVE
TAUGHT
> through their "Messenger" HPB ? Now that is a very simple task,
relatively.
> We still have in print the ORIGINAL MESSAGE. Why not use it?
>
> So to simplify, and make at least one aim clear, let me offer:
>
>
> Why not acquire at least a thorough knowledge of what she has taught in
the
>
> The KEY TO THEOSOPHY
>
> In those 300 + pages is enough material to give us a "nodding"
acquaintance
> with what THEOSOPHY teaches. Further, embedded in it is the "logic" of
the
> 'science' and the 'philosophy' of our world and The Universe -- its most
> intricate workings are exposed in outline, and from those we can derive
> individual and personal applications. But, we have to learn, question,
test,
> and study them -- there is no special value to a "belief" in THEOSOPHY -- 
it
> has to be known. Our effort is to study it. Then with the comparison
> through conference with friends we learn what is reasonable. And, from
> there, we can proceed ever deeper into the practical life of a true
> scientist-student.
>
> Otherwise, along with many hundreds of "friends of Theosophy," our notions
> will remain shallow and wispy -- nebulous -- and continually altering
> notions and opinions -- with little or no sound foundation.
>
> Consider these main divisions:
>
>
> We may be "friends of THEOSOPHY,"
> or, intrigued by "immortality of the soul/Spirit of Man,"
> or, "reincarnation,"
> or, the "unity of the Universe,"
> or, "Karma as a universal and invariable law;"
> or, the "Theosophical view of the evolutionary process,"
> or, cycles of manvantara and Pralaya,"
> or, the "Great Souls, the Mahatmas," and their school of discipline,
> chelaship,
> or, the "Path to Perfection," [spoken of by Krishna in the BHAGAVAD
GITA ];
> or, the "Four Noble Truths," [ taught by the Buddha].
> or, the "Esoteric character of the Gospels," and so on.
>
>
> All these are subjects for discussion, suggested and covered by the "THREE
> OBJECTS" of the THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT. [see p. 39, The KEY TO
THEOSOPHY] --
> here it is quoted:
>
>
> "ENQUIRER. What are the objects of the "Theosophical Society"?
>
> THEOSOPHIST. They are three, and have been so from the beginning.
>
> (1.) To form the nucleus of a Universal Brotherhood of Humanity without
> distinction of race, colour, or creed.
>
> (2.) To promote the study of Aryan and other Scriptures, of the World's
> religion and sciences, and to vindicate the importance of old Asiatic
> literature, namely, of the Brahmanical, Buddhist, and Zoroastrian
> philosophies.
>
> (3.) To investigate the hidden mysteries of Nature under every aspect
> possible, and the psychic and spiritual powers latent in man especially.
> These are, broadly stated, the three chief objects of the Theosophical
> Society. " Key, p. 39
>
>
> If we are going to study and learn, then we ought to know what THEOSOPHY
> says on these subjects.
>
> Let us each ask ourselves as to how serous we are in getting at the truth
of
> these concepts. We can wander for years with vague ideas, but how can we
> ever assure ourselves of their value, actuality, or use and practical
worth?
>
> Can THEOSOPHY get us anywhere?
>
> Best wishes.
>
> Dallas
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