Theos-Talk Archives (August 2004 Message tt00056)

Hallo Andrew Smith and all,

My views are:

The book Anicent Wisdom is available at Canadian Theosophical Association :
http://www.theosophical.ca/AncientWisdom1.htm
(Just be aware of that the pages referred to in the link are not the same as
in the below text-pieces taken from
http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/thomas/index.htm.)

I think the below text-pieces are the quotes from the website you refer to.
If anyone is missing then let me know.

Let me ask:
Which of these quotes are you talking about ?
Please tell me, What what actually is wrong with the quotes ?:


1. MONAD
"Meanwhile, it may be said in passing, the everflowing stream of life from
the Logos supplies new Monads of form on the higher levels, so that the
evolution proceeds continuously, and as the more-evolved Monads incarnate in
the lower worlds their place is taken by the newly emerged Monads in the
higher." (Annie Besant, Ancient Wisdom, p. 205)

(The Websites comment: [19] This "special creation" idea for an
explanation of things is at base a Christian doctrine. Theosophy has a more
rational explanation in that it is acquired ability through previous
incarnations as well as development of sensitivity to the higher nature,
which also is the result of effort and a moral life. Blavatsky writes:
"...the presence in man of various creative powers - called genius in their
collectivity - is due to no blind chance, to no innate qualities through
hereditary tendencies... but to an accumulation of individual antecedent
experiences of the Ego in its preceding life, and lives. " (Blavatsky
Collected Writings XII, p. 17) Each person creates himself through effort
and experience. Shakespeare created himself and earned his abilities. )

*** I do not see the problem with that quote. ***


2. Teaching on Lower Kingdoms Vs. "Group Souls"
"Thus by their repeated plant-reincarnations the monadic group-souls in the
vegetable kingdom evolve, until those that ensoul the highest members of the
kingdom are ready for the next step.

"This step carries them into the animal kingdom, and here they slowly evolve
in their physical and astral vehicles a very distinct personality ... The
monadic group-soul incarnates in a decreasing number of forms as it
gradually approaches the point at which complete individualization will be
reached ... At last the decreasing number of forms animated by a monadic
group-soul comes down to unity, and it animates a succession of single
forms -a condition differing from human reincarnation only by the absence of
Manas, with its causal and mental bodies. The mental matter brought down by
the monadic group-soul begins to be susceptible to impacts from the mental
plane, and the animal is then ready to receive the third great outpouring of
the life of the LOGOS - the tabernacle is ready for the reception of the
human Monad.

"... Doubtless, in the course of aeons of evolution, the upwardly evolving
Monad of form might have unfolded Manas by progressive growth, but both in
the human race in the past, and in the animals of the present, such has not
been the course of Nature. When the house was ready the tenant was sent
down: from the higher planes of being the atmic life descended, veiling
itself in Buddhi, as a golden thread; and its third aspect, Manas, showing
itself in the higher levels of the formless world of the mental plane,
germinal Manas within the form was fructified, and the embryonic causal body
was formed by the union. This is the individualization of the spirit, the
incasing of it in form, and the spirit incased in the causal body is the
soul, the individual, the real man ...

"Further, this outpoured life reaches the evolving forms not directly but by
intermediaries. The human race having attained the point of receptivity,
certain great Ones, called Sons of Mind, cast into men the monadic spark of
Atma-Buddhi-Manas." (Annie Besant, Ancient Wisdom, pp. 210-13) [21]
(The Websites comment: [21] The "Sons of Mind" or "Manasaputras" as
Blavatsky calls these beings superior to us in evolution, did not give a
"monadic spark" to incipient mankind because it already had this. Mankind
had the mind-principle or manas, but it was latent and would have taken
aeons to develop on its own. What the "Sons of Mind" did was to inflame or
awaken man's latent mentality, much as one flame lights another. )

*** I would like to know where HPB said different in the SD when we talk
about the "outpoured life" ? ***
*** It is Page 193-4 at http://www.theosophical.ca/AncientWisdom1.htm The
word "needed" has been omitted from the Above quote from Blavatsky Archives,
and thus the words by Besant are quite different and not in disagreement
with HPB on this issue. ***

3. DEVACHAN


"And with regard to the true communion, that of soul with soul! That is
closer, nearer, dearer than anything we know here, for, as we have seen,
there is no barrier on the mental plane between soul and soul; exactly in
proportion to the reality of soul-life in us is the reality of
soul-communion there; the mental image of our friend is our own creation;
his form as we knew and loved it; and his soul breathes through that form to
ours just to the extent that his soul and ours can throb in sympathetic
vibration." (Annie Besant, Ancient Wisdom, p. 158)

"The fifth subdivision of Kamaloka offers many new characteristics . . .
Here are situated all the materialized heavens which play so large a part in
popular religions all the world over. The happy hunting-grounds of the Red
Indian..." (Annie Besant, Ancient Wisdom, p. 110) [26]
( The Websites comment: [26] Here the basic idea is correct, but the
"fifth subdivision" as used has no authentic warrant. (V.E.) )

*** I do not see the problem with that quote. ***

Was there more from that book, then let me know.



But CWL's comments are a quite different thing.



from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...

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