Theos-Talk Archives (July 2004 Message tt00441)

Morten

You wrote concerning the 1851 date as given in
Leadbeater's account of meeting the Master Morya
in London:

"Maybe 1851 is an esoteric number or a spelling error.
The true year is 1861 or...?"

Well, MAYBE ... but .....

MAYBE .... 1851 is NOT an esoteric number...

MAYBE .... 1851 is NOT a spelling error....

MAYBE .... 1851 is NOT 1861.

Morten, you have simply proven the basic
idea given by Ray Hyman in his statement
that 

IT IS ALWAYS POSSIBLE TO IMAGINE SOME SCENARIO
IN WHICH......

but where is the evidence to confirm
or disconfirm these MAYBEs?

Here are some of the relevant facts.

Where did the 1851 date come from?

In 1893 in her book on Madame Blavatsky,
the Countess Constance Wachtmeister wrote:

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When she [HPB]was in London, in 1851 . . . she was one day out 
walking when, to her astonishment, she saw a tall Hindu in the street 
with some Indian princes. She immediately recognized him as the same 
person that she had seen in the Astral. Her first impulse was to rush 
forward to speak to him, but he made her a sign not to move, and she 
stood as if spellbound while he passed on. The next day she went into 
Hyde Park for a stroll, that she might be alone and free to think 
over her extraordinary adventure. Looking up, she saw the same form 
approaching her, and then her Master told her that he had come to 
London with the Indian princes on an important mission

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Isn't it obvious therefore that Leadbeater is also
referring to the SAME event and SAME year 1851?

Moving on.....

A.J. Hamerster wrote an biographical article about CWL in the
1932 ROUND TABLE ANNUAL. Hamerster submitted the article
before publication to Mr. Leadbeater who "enriched
the original manuscript with notes, corrections and
suggestions" and approved the article as accurate.
[See Tillett's biography of C.W.L., p. 11.]

In this article Leadbeater's birthdate is given as
Feb. 17, 1847.

Now compare this date 1847 with the account by
Leadbeater. I give only a snippet:

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Madame Blavatsky . . . met the Master Morya
in Hyde Park, London, in the year 1851. . . .
I myself, then a little child of four, saw Him also. 

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Let's ignore the 1851 date in the text. And
focus on Leadbeater statement that he was four
years old at the time.

Take the 1847 birthdate given by Hamerster and 
add 4 years to it.

1847 + 4 = 1851

All of the above shows that 1851 is certainly not a typo.

And one could also comb through Leadbeater's other books
and articles and see if he mentions this London
incident and the 1851 date elsewhere. This would supply
more evidence.

Daniel 
http://hpb.cc