Theos-Talk Archives (July 2004 Message tt00372)

Bart,

You wrote:

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Why is the exact date of birth for Leadbeater 
so important?

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I'm sure Gregory Tillett can answer your
question more fully than I can, but I will
give you one example to ponder on.

Note well what C.W. Leadbeater wrote in
his book THE MASTERS AND THE PATH.

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Madame Blavatsky has often told us how she met 
the Master Morya in Hyde Park, London, in the 
year 1851, when He came over with a number of 
other Indian Princes to attend the first great 
International Exhibition. Strangely enough, I 
myself, then a little child of four, saw Him also, 
all unknowing. I can remember being taken to see 
a gorgeous procession, in which among many other 
wonders came a party of richly-dressed Indian 
horsemen. Magnificent horsemen they were, riding 
steeds as fine, I suppose, as any in the world, and 
it was only natural that my childish eyes were 
fixed upon them in great delight, and that they 
were perhaps to me the finest exhibit of that 
marvellous and fairy-like show. And even as I 
watched them pass, as I stood holding my father' s 
hand, one of the tallest of those heroes fixed me 
with gleaming black eyes, which half-frightened 
me, and yet at the same time filled me somehow 
with indescribable happiness and exaltation. He 
passed with the others and I saw Him no more, yet 
often the vision of that flashing eye returned 
to my childish memory. 

Of course, l knew nothing then of who He was, and I should never have 
identified Him had it not been for a gracious remark which He made to 
me many years afterwards. Speaking one day in His presence of the 
earlier days of the Society I happened to say that the first time I 
had had the privilege of seeing Him in materialized form was on a 
certain occasion when He came into Madame Blavatsky' s room at Adyar, 
for the purpose of giving her strength and issuing certain 
directions. He Himself, who was engaged in conversation with some 
other Adepts, turned sharply upon me and said: "No, that was not
the first time. You had seen me before then in my physical body. Do 
you not remember, as a tiny child, watching the Indian horsemen ride 
past in Hyde Park, and did you not see how even then I singled you
out?" I remembered instantly, of course, and said "Oh, Master, was 
that you? But I ought to have known it." I do not mention this 
incident among the occasions when I have met and spoken with a 
Master, both parties to the interview being in the physical body, 
because I did not at the time know that great horseman to be the 
Master, and because the evidence of so small a child might well be 
doubted or discounted.

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Bart, notice that Leadbeater said the year he saw the
Master Morya in London was 1851.

He even relates that he was "a little child of four." 

Do the math.

1851 - 4 = 1847 

Notice also that Leadbeater said he later had a personal
talk with Master Morya in which the Master
himself confirmed the incident of 1851. I quote
again the conversation between Morya and Leadbeater:

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[Morya said to Leadbeater:]
"No, that was not the first time. You had seen me before then in my 
physical body. Do you not remember, as a tiny child, watching the 
Indian horsemen ride past in Hyde Park, and did you not see how even 
then I singled you out?" 

I remembered instantly, of course, and said "Oh, Master, was that 
you? But I ought to have known it." 

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But if Leadbeater was actually born in 1854, he could not
have been a "little child of four" in 1851.

The Master said: "Do you not remember...."

But how could Leadbeater remember this 1851 event
if he was not born until 1854?

I will let you ponder on the implications. And feel
free to share them with your Theos-Talk audience.

Daniel
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