Theos-Talk Archives (July 2004 Message tt00314)

Dear Anand,

Your words in your post at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/17447

are quite revealing and 
their implications are, well, almost
breathtaking....

For example, you write:

". . . there is always lot of criticism about 
many occultists and you recommend books which 
encourage such criticism, suspicion about 
founders and their capacity. It very badly affects 
new members and they lose faith in Theosophy. 
So their spiritual development suffers. . . . "

If this is what I am really doing, then if
anything I am following in HPB's steps.

Here is what Annie Besant wrote in her
AUTOBIOGRAPHY:

"And so it came to pass that I went again to 
Lansdowne Road to ask about the Theosophical 
Society. H. P. Blavatsky looked at me piercingly 
for a moment. 'Have you read the report about 
me of the Society for Psychical Research?' 
'No, I never heard of it, so far as I know.' 
'Go and read it, and if, after reading it, 
you come back—well.' And nothing more would 
she say on the subject, but branched off to 
her experiences in many lands."

"I borrowed a copy of the report, read and 
reread it. . . . "

Here is Madame Blavatsky recommending to
a newcomer to Theosophy a book which 
to quote your own words encourages "such 
criticism, suspicion about 
founders and their capacity." !!!

Moving on....

You write:

"I knew Judge affair long back but I never 
posted any negative massage about Judge on 
any of my web-sites or groups. I never 
criticized Judge or his work because I 
know it only harms Theosophical movement."

But both Mrs. Besant and Col. Olcott
"criticized" Judge. I guess they 
did not know what you know, that is, that such
criticism "only harms Theosophical movement."

You say that:

"If you want to live first objective of the 
Theosophical Society see that your postings 
. . . are not spreading suspicion, confusion 
among members."

So I guess Henry Olcott was NOT living the first
object of the TS when he spread "suspicion", etc
about Mr. Judge. See volumes V and VI of Olcott's
OLD DIARY LEAVES. He did this in these 2 volumes
after Mr. Judge was dead.

Moving on....

You write:

". . . you recommend books which encourage such 
criticism, suspicion about founders and their 
capacity. It very badly affects new members and 
they lose faith in Theosophy. So their spiritual 
development suffers. . . . "

Well, I know this may sound unkind but your words
remind me of some orthodox Christian preacher
trying to shelter his flock from criticisms of
Christianity and Jesus Christ.

Is this what we should be doing in a Theosophical
organization?

Madame Blavatsky's first major work ISIS UNVEILED
was extrememly critical of exoteric Christianity.

And she even wrote in the preface of the 2nd volume:

"Were it possible, we would keep this work out of the hands of many 
Christians whom its perusal would not benefit, and for whom it was 
not written. We allude to those whose faith in their respective 
churches is pure and sincere, and those whose sinless lives reflect 
the glorious example of that Prophet of Nazareth, by whose mouth the 
spirit of truth spake loudly to humanity. Such there have been at all 
times. . . These have ennobled Christianity, but would have shed the 
same lustre upon any other faith they might have professed -- for 
they were higher than their creed. . . . Their charity, and simple, 
child-like faith in the infallibility of their Bible, their dogmas, 
and their clergy, bring into full activity all the virtues that are 
implanted in our common nature. We have personally known such God-
fearing priests and clergymen, and we have always avoided debate with 
them, lest we might be guilty of the cruelty of hurting their 
feelings; nor would we rob a single layman of his blind confidence, 
if it alone made possible for him holy living and serene dying. 

. . . the clergy apart, none but the logician, the investigator, the 
dauntless explorer should meddle with books like this. Such delvers 
after truth have the courage of their opinions."

Anand, are we to encourage similar "blind confidence" in Theosophy
and the claims of the Founders of Theosophy?

Or should we encourage Theosophists to be "delvers after truth"?

You seem to encourage this approach of sheltering
"theosophists" so that they will not lose their faith in
Theosophy.  

This reminds me of what Master Koot Hoomi once wrote:

"I dread the appearance in print of our philosophy as expounded by 
Mr. H[ume]. . . He says that people will not accept the whole 
truth; that unless we humour them with a hope that there may be 
a 'loving Father and creator of all in heaven' our philosophy will be 
rejected a priori. In such a case the less such idiots hear of our 
doctrines the better for both. If they do not want the whole truth 
and nothing but the truth, they are welcome. But never will they find 
us -- (at any rate) -- compromising with, and pandering to public 
prejudices." 

Anand, how do we discover the truth, unless we can see more than
one side of an issue?  

Again, H.P. Blavatsky wrote:

"...Contrast alone can enable us to appreciate things at their right 
value; and unless a judge compares notes and hears both sides he can 
hardly come to a correct decision." H.P. Blavatsky. The Theosophist, 
July, 1881, p. 2

Applying this to Theosophical history, how can we come to determine
what really happened, etc. if we don't hear both sides?

If you talk about Theosophical history, you cannot avoid these 
controversies. And if you are really a seeker after the truth in 
these matters, you need to hear all sides. Wouldn't you agree?

Now if you are not interested in such history, then just stick to the 
philosophy of Theosophy. But once you start making comments about
Leadbeater's life or Besant's role in the ES, then you are entering
the arena of history whether you like it or not.

I will be most interested to see the list of books on Theosophical 
History that you recommend to the poster on your Yahoo! group.

Daniel
http://hpb.cc

P.S. OBTW, thank the gods that you are not the moderator of this 
group!