Theos-Talk Archives (July 2004 Message tt00268)

July 23 2004



Many thanks Shawn.



Very interesting, especially the enlargements.



Now if you or someone will interpret them to us in terms of plate tectonics
and possible history of rise and fall of coast lines it would be helpful. 



Are there any charts that might show the effects of Ice-age glaciations? 



How would the average cost line around the present continents have swerved
to change their outlines look if say, 15,000, 50,000, or 250,000 years ago
the sea level were 300 to 600 feet lower on the average? 



If Poseidonis disappeared in a night (?) then where might it have been and
where are the islands and shores of that time? 



Is there any way we can trace them. 



I hear of evidence along various shores of elevated Coast lines --- along
the coast of So. America, for instance, 



Then there was a recent study on the evidence of flora and fauna around the
Atlantic ocean basin comparing So. America and West European coastal regions
- showing that at one time in the geological past there had ben some
connections and similarities of species as well as geological comparables
tended to show that the may have been a valid connection.



I see almost too much anxiety to dispel any interest in such contiguity and
co-existence, and, I ask myself why is it that in certain scientific circles
there is so much interest in placing bars and obstacles in the way of
considering the statements made in THEOSOPHY concerning the past.



Suppose that some of us set together and established a table listing the
ages and eras of the past that Theosophy speaks on this - then com[pare it
with those dates and ideas that Science seems to adopt.



For instance: 



I recall that it was a geologist who supported the examination of water wear
on the Sphynx and came to the conclusion that torrential rains were common
over 13,000 years ago (and of course earlier, as that was only a "last date"
- since the date on when the Sphynx actually carved, was perhaps many
thousands of years earlier -- how many years of exposure (as in the case,
for instance, of the Ellora caves in Central India have those structures
been exposed to the monsoon rains and eroded ? - still this period and era
is unknown in regard to Egypt - and Where did those rains come from? Was
the Sahara then a sea? And its climate contributed to caused the erosion.
[Anthony West? ] 



The arrangement of the Pyramids and several temples in the delta of the Nile
are said to coincide with the positions of the main stars in Orion and Canis
Major ought also to be checked and verified and kept alive.



We have also had since Mars was closely examined the matter of the 5 sided
pyramid and the seemingly human face outline found on Mars. Are these
"coincidences" (some of Nature quirks and fancies?) or, were they left as
evidence for explorers, such as we have become, to seek to understand and
secure some reason for.



Von Danegan (spelling ?) [ 1980s and 90s] wrote a number of sensational
books about anomalies, strange artifacts, evidence of art in layers of
strata that antedate those layers in which only evidence of savage and
primitive tools have been found. 



Why this evidence? Why now? What can Theosophy offer as found around the
world - with photographs and other testimony - who among us is
systematically following up on such things? Or even cataloging them? 



Have they any relevancy to Theosophy and its chronology?



What about the study of paleo-climatology? What changes in land mass may
have caused those? This could be tied in with paleo-geology ?



I recall that Velikovsky in his books (1940s) made a point of indicating
there was no reasonable explanation for vast deposits of fossil, found in
impossible profusion and jumbled in certain areas - his idea was there had
been a sudden shifting of the planetary axis - and in certain areas where
surface exposure led to there being no protection, trees, animals, rocks,
etc, slid over the surface of the earth which suddenly changed its spin
direction -- and were finally jammed in jumbled heaps against the face of
certain mountains and in canyons that were able to resist such a change and
flow - and provide a shelter for this mass of detritus. 



Many mysteries -- and one could write some interesting and thought
provoking books about them. 



[ For instance, in very recent years we have FORBIDDEN ARCHAEOLOGY by Cremo
and Johnson -- and, as a follow up, an equally large volume recording the
way in which the scientific community received its publication.]



I append hereto some outlines of a chronology constructed from hints given
in Theosophical literature. [It is only a sketch and needs to be added
to.]Perhaps someone will help.



There are in our Theosophy magazines already a fair grouping of records
pertaining to anomalies: --



In Theosophy Magazine, (Los Angeles) now in its 85th volume -- see 

ON THE LOOKOUT -- month after month.



In The THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT Magazine (Bombay) now in its 75th volume see IN
THE LIGHT OF THEOSOPHY -- items month after month.



Culled, edited, an put into book-form, these would make very provocative
reading. 





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TIME CHARTS -- GEOLOGICAL CHRONOLOGY



Below is a table of Geological Ages as they were estimated in HPB's time, 

and as they are estimated now. [SD II 710] These dates are used by
Scientific 

Geology and are approximate estimates only. ]



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-----------------

Years
Years

Name of 

GEOLOGICAL AGE HPB's S D DATES MODERN DATES

=============== =============== ================



PRIMORDIAL 321,000,000
10,000,000,000 + 

[SD II 711-2]



PALEOZOIC

Laurentian . . .
1 billion (+/-)

Cambrian . . .
590,000,000

Ordovician . . .
505,000,000

Silurian . . . .
438,000,000



PRIMARY . 150,000,000 

[SD II 712]

Devonian . . .
408,000,000 

Carboniferous . . .
360,000,000

Permian . . .
280,000,000



SECONDARY . 45, 000,000

[SD II 713-4]



MESOZOIC

Triassic . . .
248,000,000

Jurassic . . .
213,000,000

Cretaceous . . .
144,000,000



TERTIARY 9,000,000

[SD II 714]



CENOZOIC

Paleocene . . .
65,000,000

Eocene . . .
55,000,000

Oligocene . . .
38,000,000

Miocene . . .
25,000,000

Pliocene . . .
5,000,000



QUATERNARY 1,600,000

[SD II 715]

Paleolithic . . .
4,000,000 

Pleistocene . . .
2,000,000

Neolithic . . .

Holocene . . .
100,000

Historical . . .
10,000



PRESENT DAY





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2 



AN INTRODUCTION TO A THEOSOPHICAL



C H R O N O L O G Y 

__________



The Work of Adepts





Note 

This is an attempt to place events and personages within
various accepted and Theosophical time-frames. It is hoped that it will
help in observing evidence of the Wise Men and Sage Adepts of the past at
work.



It will help the compilers if you would contribute any correc-tions or
additions to this growing project, as a result of your own study and use of
this list.

_____________





Abbreviations used:



IS = Isis Unveiled Glos =
Theosophical Glossary 

SD = The Secret Doctrine Thy = Theosophy
Magazine (LA)

Key = Key to Theosophy Theos't =
Theosophist ( Adyar )

Lucif= Lucifer Magazine Path = The
Path ( New York )

ML = Mahatma Letters T M =
Theos.Movemt. (Bombay)

Ocean= Ocean of Theosophy HPB Art = Collected
HPB Articles

CWB = Collected Works HPB WQJ Art = Collected WQJ
Articles

C & J= Caves & Jungles of Hindoostan

Aryan Path = Magazine published in Bombay



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A THEOSOPHICAL VIEW OF CHRONOLOGY





Introduction





The sub-title given to this survey indicates the attention
that H.P.Blavatsky paid to the historical, factual aspect, of the records of
the Adepts. ( SD I 272 )





Students of Theosophy take into account certain foundational
con-cepts, such as :-- 



1. Reincarnation: that we are essentially
in our spiritual, natures, Immortals, and have lived many lives on this
Earth; 



2. that Karma, the law of justice and of
fairness to all beings (from the atom to Galaxy) is The Law for every aspect
of the Universe; and that it consists of an harmonic balance at all points;
so that all circumstances can be traced to choices made earlier;



3. the ideal of Human Brotherhood is not a
myth but a solid fact as science and psychology demonstrate daily that we
share in each other, as in all aspects of Nature; and finally, 



4. There is an actual, a Universal All--an
Encompassing Uni-ty (or Causation), which forms the living and sensitive
base for all evolution and all individual consciousness.









C H R O N O L O G Y





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Year Groups, Tribes Notes and
References

>From To or Individual 

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Universal and World Periods [Tables] SD II 69-70 OCEAN 125





311,040,000,000,000 years = Maha Kalpa, or Life of Brahma

(100 of Brahma's years)

\[311 trillion, 40 billion]
SD II 70



3,110,400,000,000 years = 1 Year of Brahma SD II 70

[3 trillion, 110 billion]

8,640,000,000 years = 1 Day + 1 Night of Brahma 

4,320,000,000 years = 1 Kalpa = l Day of Brahma or

1,000 Maha-Yugas SD II 69

or 14 Manus SD II
59-60

[ see The Theosophist, Nov.,
1885, p. 115-6; 

article by
P. Sreenivas Row ]

1 Day of Brahma = 4,294,080,000 years = 994 Maha-Yugas or 14 Manus

add 25,920,000 years = 1 Sandhi (twilight)
SD II 308fn

_____________________

4,320,000,000 years = 1 Kalpa or 1 Day
of Brahma 

(4 billion, 320 million) SD II 69-70 



1 Manvantara = 306,720,000 years = 71 Maha Yugas of
4,320,000 years 

add 1,728,000 years = 1 Sandhi SD II 69

____________________

308,448,000 years = 1 Manvantara SD II
69



4 Yugas [ The 4 "Ages" ] . . . SD II 69 ML p. 121, IS I 32



1,728,000 years = Krita (or Satya, or Golden Age--Yuga )

1,296,000 years = Treta (or Silver Age--Yuga ) 

864,000 years = Dwapara ( or Bronze Age--Yuga )

432,000 years = Kali ( or Black, Iron Age--Yuga )

__________________ 

4,320,000 years = 1 Maha Yuga or 1/1000th of A Day of Brahma 

SD II 69 HPB III 422;
Lucif XIII, 183-4





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Chaldean Cycles . . . .IS I 30 fn

[ Berosus, Priest of the temple of Belus, Babylon ]

3,600 years = 1 Sar (or Saros )

IS I 21, 30, 34, 533 II 467, Path X 301,



600 years = 1 Neros



60 years = 1 Sossus



Berosus, Temple of Belus, Babylon IS I 30 fn 

SD II 38 331 432 566; SD I 114 314 389 435 649 655fn

Glos. 108 291 (Sar) 225 258



Solar or Heliacal Year 25,868 years Ocean 121 

( 1 Sub-race )





OUR EARTH



1,955,884,687 years (in 1887) from the beginning of

"cosmic evolution" SD II 68

- 300,000,000 Years as a Sandhi (twilight)

______________

1,664,884,687 years (in 1887) from the first appearance of 

"Humanity" (on this planetary chain) as a 

physical form SD II 68



18,618,728 years since the beginning of the Vaivaswata

Manvantara - or the human period up to

The year 1887 SD I 150fn II 69



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B. C.

________________





18,618,727 Lighting up of Manas [ mind ] (as in 1887) 

SD I 150fn;
SD II 69 254-5



4,000,000 c. Engulfing of Lemuria (e.g.:--Easter Island)


[4th Round, 4th Globe, 3rd "Race"] SD I
439

Easter Island - last evidence of Lemuria 

SD I 322 439
II 224 317



Atlantis [ Titans / Kabiri / Cyclops ]

[4th Round, 4th Globe, 4th
"Race"] 



1,050,000 Beginning of the 5th "Race" SD II 141 144 435



Vedas SD I 269-71 II 483-4 450 606 616 

T M 5-67 Glos 361 IS I 444 THY 2-468 

Theos't I-247 COL I TOP. WQJ ART II 82-3
Theos't 9-428





1,000,000 Aryan Race began SD II 395 Theosophy V. 45, p. 219



Brahmin invasion of Northern India 

Is II 156fn 169 158 Is II 323 192 SD I 209
II 565 Glos 222



Persians, Turanians, Goths, Slavs Is. I 569-576 


Is. II 426-433





1,000,000 - 500,000 B C







998,100 Cataclysms: Atlantis begins sinking SD II 141

Is I 557 593 SD II 10 144
Glos 42-3



869,000 Dwapara Yuga Commencement (since 1888) SD II 147 

( Kali-Yuga began 3,102 BC )



850,000 Since submergence of last large peninsula of

the Great Atlantis SD II 10



850,000 Glacial Period estimated by Stockwell & Croll 

SD II 141
144



800,000 Angkor Wat built (2nd most Occult Edifice) 

Glos 223 Is I 239 561-8
271-2







500,000 - 250,000 B C







470,000 Babylon's astronomical observations are said to go back 

to this period Nebo or Birs Nimrud, CWB 13-274 Isis
I 533



450,000 Epoch of Ramayana (Brahmin estimate) C & J p. 73

Theos't Vol.10 -35 SD II 496 IS II 278 Glos 275



400,000 Egypt was settled by the Atlanteans and the Eastern

Aetheopeans (Malabar coast of India)
SD II 750







250,000 - 100,000 B C







250,000 + Last Glaciation of Europe Isis I 3



Pyramids were 3 times submerged S D I 313 424 617 

SD II 462-6 575 435 749-50 351-3 462 351-2
93 276fn 

429 GL 223 300 IS I 154 239 296-7 517-21


THY Vol. 67-p.54



Sphinx (Harmachus) SD II 124 618 Glos 135-6 Is
I 573



200,000 Chaldean Astronomical Observations extended back at the

time of Alexander's invasion _ Berosus
SD I xxvi



200,000 Stockwell & Croll estimate of last Glaciation SD II 1441, 144







100,000 - 30,000 B C







78,000 + Denderah Zodiac [ Egyptians brought from Lanka -- Menes ] 

SD II 374fn 431-6 456 577
580; IS I 440-1 



49,186 Egyptian Records go back to ( Diogenes Laertius ) 

by 8,863 yrs. in 323 BC IS I 33



34,300 Sumerian Tablet gives 32,234 yrs between Deluge

and last king of Isin c.200 BC Thy 16, p.195







30,000 - 10,000 B C





29,217 Alpha Polaris (Dhruva) (as Pole Star) (in 1888)

31,105 yrs ago Glos. 17



15,194 Zodiac Originated 1st degree of Aries ( Ram )



15,086 Vernal Equinox and 1st degree of Libra coincided SD I 658 

( 16,984 yrs ago in 1888 )



12,300 Vyasa - Uttara Mimansa and Vedanta taught Isis II 621



"Bhadarayana" SD I 50 269 451 Glos 361



11,100 Vega (Alpha Lyrae was Pole Star Thy 17-18







10,000 - 6,000 B C 







9,566 Deluge of Deucalion. Last Island of Atlantis ML p. 155

submerged. Last war between the 5 YRS
OF THY 99fn 



"Sons of God" of the "White Island" and SD II 406 444fn

the last Atlantean sorcerers
ISIS I 589-594



9,500 Atlantis - Last Island sank Timaeus"- Plato as narrated

by Priests of Sais to Solon
TM 46-469



8,000 Hindu Initiates had same Secret Philosophy then 

as now (estimate) SD II 406
IS II 535



8,000 Tchandalas begin to emigrate from India to Chaldea 

SD II 200 Glos 323 165 IS I 135 551-2 578


Isis II
438-9 SD I 313fn 



7,975 End of the last Sidereal Year Ocean 129 SD I 649-50

(9,868 yrs. before 1893) SD II 314 331 432 470 



6,500 c Zarathustra (6,000 yrs. before Plato c 400 BC) Gl 384-5

IS I 19 II 141 SD I 464 II 323 Theos't
I-135 


Thy 14-97

[Zoroaster was a Title - 24 Zoroasters. The last

was a contemporary of Gautama Buddha. c. 600 BC ]





6,000 - 4,000 B C





6,000 / 5,000 Trojan War was nearer 6,000 than 5,000 BC S D II 437fn

Thy 27-103 IS I 520 598 Glos 96 (Dardanus)


SD II 101
236 440



5,100 Neith (1st Dynasty) Lucif 2-465 SD I 399 Glos 77 227 234



4,100 c Manu-Vina (Menes) to Masra (Cairo) IS I 627 516

SD II 335 374 431-2 436 746; Thy 15, 317







4,000 - 3,000 B C







3,750 Sargon I reigned (Prof. A.H.Sayce) SD II 691



3,700 Local Deluge in Middle East S D II 691



3,200 c Date assigned to last Veda Vyasa by 

the Brahmins. [Vyasa is a title.]
Glos 362



3,102 Kali Yuga began Feb. 16, AM: 2 Hrs, 27 Min, 30 Sec.

[ the only precise time given ] SD I 662


SD II 147 fn




3,102 Krishna's death Kali Yuga (18 Feb. 3,102 BC) Glos 170 387

[ midnight 17/18 ] Thy. I-p. 374;
IV-p. 37



3,102 Hindu Zodiac Begins at sunrise Feb 18th SD I 662

( origin of present Hindu era: "Vikram
Samvat" 

and Zodiac, Tiravalour, So. India )



3,100 c Vikramaditya rules at Ujjain ("Vikram Samvat") SD I 662

[ begins at Sunrise, February 18th 3,102 B C
]



3,100 c Fu-H'si ( Krishna of China ) Thy 14- 308



Po-H'si ( 1st Ruler of China) Thy 14- 1





3,100 c Orpheus identified with Arjuna Thy 27, 148 Glos 242

(On travel to Patala, stops in Greece) 

HPB ART III 138 IS I 532
II 129 550 

SD I 207 267fn 529 784
Lucif 16-273 

Theos't 5-20 Col 2 Bot, 









3,000 - 2,000 B C







3,000 c Gilgamesh epic, "Flood" of the Jewish Bible Thy 16, 307



2,875 c Akkadians (Semites) over-run Sumer Sargon IS I 576-78



2,800 c Yi-King (Chinese Kabala in dialect of Akkadians) 


Thy 25-444



2,700 Hwang-Ti 3rd ruler after Po-H'si Thy 15-19 Thy 14-310



Babylon & Assyria Glos 47 37 IS I 567 ML 152 THY 16-194 307



2,253 Chaldean Astronomical Observations for the past 1903 years 

Calliosthenes to Aristotle (c 350 BC)
IS I 21



Kasidim Glos 75 81 39 196 IS I xxviii 534
459 567

HPB Art III 134 ML 152 CWB 5-13 326-8 SD
II 620



2,200 c Shu-King and Shi-King (China) Thy 14-310 IS I 11



Hammurabi (Code) Babylon Thy 16-196



2,000 c Sumeria old texts with interlinear Semitic Thy 16-194

translations Thy
21-414





2,000 - 1,000 B C





1,925 c Hittites capture Babylon IS I 567-8



1,850 c Chung-Ki (China ) Thy 14-34



1,700 c Knossos (Crete) at its height IS I 264 545

[ c 3,000 BC - 1,400 BC ]



1,628 Thera (Santorini) Volcano Erupts (Tree Ring Dating)

[ L A Times, Aug 29 1996 ]

[ End of Minoan Civilization, and tidal waves

overwhelm coasts of Eastern Mediterranean.]



1,600 c Hyksos ( Semites ) overran Egypt IS I 569-70



1,500 c Arameans over-ran Mesopotamia IS I 579



Phoenicians ( Semites ) IS I 569 567 572 545 





1,573 Moses born SD II 539 691 MOD PAN 45 HPB III 244 IS I 3 555

SD I 320fn 385 II 428 456 465 691 IS II
129 I 25 



1,447 Aries in its 15th degree SD II 436 fn SD I 658



1,400 c Achaeans to Crete destruction of Knossos dynasty

(Thera-Santorini volcano explodes ? )



1,350 c Tutankhamen XVIII Dynasty (son-in-law of Ikhnaton) 



Aton replaced Amon-Ra -- Thebes-capital of Egypt



1,225 c Rameses II ( restored Karnak & many monuments )



Greeks: Aeolians Ionians Dorians Achaeans



Scythians from central Asia begin invading Russia

Khazaks (in 8th Cent. identified with Jews )



1,250 Sanchoniathon compiled religious writings SD II 440 fn

IS I 234 341-2 577-8 II 260 275 SD II 129
440 Glos 289







1,000-900 B C







1,000 c Aztecs to Central America S D II 445 Thy 16, 70-1



974 - 937 Solomon IS I 135 II 391 ML 345 SD II 591 M Pan
45-6



970-936 Hiram I at Tyre (Phoenician Jews ) I S I 19 135 566-8



945 Conjunction of all the Planets except Saturn
SD II 63

(Note: also a great conj. in 1957, 1965-7 &
Sun Eclipse )



900 c Inca Kings records begin Thy 16-25 Glos 154

HPB Art III 428 IS I 595-8



814 Founding of Carthage by Phoenicians in flight from Joshua 

son of Nun IS I 520 560 567 II
546 









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Best wishes







Dallas







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