Theos-Talk Archives (July 2004 Message tt00061)

Very interesting. But what has all that have to do with the speculative 
statements That were made by Bart or myself about a particular type of phenomena 
that that is quite different from the one's described here? As a matter of 
fact, I never said that all phenomena produced by Blavatsky was temporary or an 
illusion. Maybe you should carefully read all my correspondence regarding this 
subject. But, in any event, I'm glad I gave you a chance to pump some more 
of your hearsay quotes on us... As if they were any kind of proof of anything, 
or could refute any speculative comments Bart or I might make about specific 
types or instances of reported psychic phenomena. Methinks you are so desperate 
to prove your blind "fundamentalist" belief in theosophy and everyone 
(sycophants included) who ever wrote anything about it, or its teachers, that you 
have begun to make mountains out of molehills, and lose track of what particular 
instance started this discussion in the first place.

But keep up the good work of correlating and posting such information on 
HPB's and the Masters views of psychic phenomena. It's very handy for us lazy 
students, who use the SD as a textbook only and have no need to correlate data, 
to have such consolidated thought provoking references in our own e-mail files. 
:-)

Leon    


In a message dated 07/01/04 1:45:32 AM, danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com writes:

>A Precipitation that left PERMANENT MARKS:  
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>No ILLUSION OF SOLIDITY here!
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>In several of my recent posts, I have given extracts from
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>both HPB and Master KH on the precipitation process.  
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>In light of those citations, one can start to understand
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>the following account. Note well that this precipitation 
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>was NOT temporary giving as Leon would say an "illusion 
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>of solidity" but left PERMANENT MARKS which were still 
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>there many years later in the 1890s when Olcott wrote 
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>this account for OLD DIARY LEAVES.
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>In Old Diary Leaves (I, 40-42), Henry Olcott writes about
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>the following phenomenon performed in 1875:
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>An experiment [was] made by HPB, with myself
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>as a passive agent after my coming to her house
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>in Philadelphia. She was tipping tables for me,
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>with and without the contact between her hands
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>and the table, making loud and tiny raps—sometimes
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>while holding her hand six inches above the
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>wood and sometimes while resting her hand upon
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>mine as it lay flat upon the table—and spelling
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>out messages to me from the pretended John King,
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>which, as rapped out by the alphabet, I recorded
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>on scraps of paper. At last some of these messages
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>relating to third parties seemed worth keeping, so
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>one day, on my way home, I bought a reporter's
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>notebook, and, on getting to the house, showed it
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>to her and explained its intended use. She was
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>seated at the time and I standing. Without touching
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>the book or making any mystical pass or sign, she
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>told me to put it in my bosom. I did so, and after a moment's pause
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>she bade me take it out and look within. This is what I found inside
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>the first cover, written and drawn on the white lining paper in lead
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>pencil:
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>JOHN KING,
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>HENRY DE MORGAN,
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>his book.
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>4th of the Fourth month in A.D. 1875.
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>Underneath this, the drawing of a Rosicrucian jewel; over the arch of
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>the jeweled crown, the word FATE; beneath which is her name, "Helen,"
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>followed by what looks like 99, something smudged out, and then a
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>simple + [etc.]. I have the book on my table as I write, and my
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>description is taken from the drawing itself. One striking feature of
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>this example of psycho-dynamics is the fact that no one but myself
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>had touched the book after it was purchased; I had had it in my
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>pocket until it was shown to HPB, from the distance of two or three
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>feet, had myself held it in my bosom, removed it a moment later when
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>bidden, and the precipitation of the lead-pencil writing and drawing
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>had been done while the book was inside my waistcoat. Now the writing
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>inside the cover of the book is very peculiar. It is a quaint and
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>quite individual handwriting, not like HPB's, but identical with that
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>in all the written messages I had from first to last from "John
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>King." HPB having, then, the power of precipitation, must have
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>transferred from her mind to the paper the images of words traced in
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>this special style of script; or, if not she, but some other expert
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>in this art did it, then that other person must have done it in that
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>same way—i.e., have first pictured to himself mentally the images
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>of those words and that drawing, and then precipitated, that is, made
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>them visible on the paper, as though written with a lead pencil.
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>Daniel Caldwell
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