Theos-Talk Archives (July 2004 Message tt00033)

June 2 2004

Dear friend Andre:

Now that must have been a wonderful study through many expositions of
THEOSOPHY . 

I wonder if you can keep all that information straight? I don't think I
could, and so have read and re-read those and other books many times.

To be specific.

Please help me:

I don't have THEOSOPHIST, VOL. 79, March 1958 (pp. 367-72) available to me
just now. By any chance is it reproduced in the "Collected Works:
BLAVATSKY, 15 Vols." ?	 

[ see it in Vol 13, p. 301 ]

I have found it:  

It is in CW:B Vol. XIII, p. 301... I see it is an unfinished essay and it
is in two handwritings -- also on p. 302 in a footnote, it speaks of a
missing page -- so there is some doubt as to whether it is entirely hers...
So we don't know whether she would have retained the fragmentary version
that is now available to us, if she had ever printed it in her magazines.

For a number of years I have puzzled over the statements made as printed,
and so far have not been able to make any definite reconciliation, such as
you seem to seek. There are two methods of calculation apparent at least.
And I have not specialized in the calculation of cycles and time-periods.  

I have asked myself if an application of the cycles of the Chaldeans: Naros,
Saros, Sar had any relevance, did some calculations and arrived nowhere
conclusive.

One reason I gave to myself was that all decisions we make alter our own
INDIVIDUAL and "Personal" cycles of incarnation. Apparently, we as
individuals, work in and through those general cycles.

Also I could not imagine to myself a particular use or value I might secure
from a decision I might make in regard to those cycles of years.  

I agree that the differences are there but why? I am unable to help. 

I am sorry I am not able to help you further, But I think there are some
possible correlates to the last paragraph of this document, see in S D I
164 and 170 and 200. (see also in Vol XIII, pp. 268, 324-5 -- again the
exoteric and esoteric figures are mentioned in connection with the Zodiac.)

Best wishes,

Dallas

Have a look at the following

A THEOSOPHY CHRONOLOGY [Tentative}

The Work of Adepts

Note               
This is an attempt to place events and personages within various
accepted and Theosophical time-frames. It is hoped that it will help in
observing evidence of the Wise Men and Sage Adepts of the past at work.

It will help the compilers if you would contribute any corrections or
additions to this growing project, as a result of your own study and use of
this list.
_____________

Most time references are based on the periods that HPB has given us in
either Isis or The S.D., or in her articles. This is under active
completion and verification, hence, you will be asked to excuse some errors
that will be found, and invited to draw the attention of the compilers to
corrective facts.

Verifying dates have occasionally been secured from Encyclopedia
Britannica and other sources, and those have been added to those secured
from Theosophical sources. If uncertain = c / ? .
                        
Abbreviations used:

IS = Isis Unveiled Glos = Theosophical
Glossary       
SD = The Secret Doctrine Thy = Theosophy Magazine (LA)
Key = Key to Theosophy Theos't = Theosophist ( Adyar )
Lucif= Lucifer Magazine Path = The Path ( New York
)
ML = Mahatma Letters T M = Theos.Movemt.
(Bombay)
Ocean= Ocean of Theosophy HPB Art = Collected HPB Articles
CWB = Collected Works HPB WQJ Art = Collected WQJ Articles
C & J= Caves & Jungles of Hindoostan
Aryan Path = Magazine published in Bombay

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Year Groups, Tribes Notes and References
>From To or Individual               
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Universal and World Periods [Tables] SD II 69-70 OCEAN 125


311,040,000,000,000 years = Maha Kalpa, or Life of Brahma
(100 of Brahma's years)
[311 trillion, 40 billion] SD II 70

3,110,400,000,000 years = 1 Year of Brahma SD II 70
[3 trillion, 110 billion]
8,640,000,000 years = 1 Day + 1 Night of Brahma     
4,320,000,000 years = 1 Kalpa = l Day of Brahma or
1,000 Maha-Yugas SD II 69
or 14 Manus SD II 59-60
[ see The Theosophist, Nov., 1885, p. 115-6; 
article by P. Sreenivas Row ]
1 Day of Brahma = 4,294,080,000 years = 994 Maha-Yugas or 14 Manus
add 25,920,000 years = 1 Sandhi (twilight) SD II 308fn
_____________________
4,320,000,000 years = 1 Kalpa or 1 Day of
Brahma  
(4 billion, 320 million) SD II 69-70  

1 Manvantara = 306,720,000 years = 71 Maha Yugas of
4,320,000 years 
add 1,728,000 years = 1 Sandhi SD II 69
____________________
308,448,000 years = 1 Manvantara SD II 69

4 Yugas [ The 4 "Ages" ] . .SD II 69 ML p. 121, IS I 32
1,728,000 years = Krita (or Satya, or Golden Age--Yuga )
1,296,000 years = Treta (or Silver Age--Yuga )  
864,000 years = Dwapara ( or Bronze Age--Yuga )
432,000 years - Kali ( or Black, Iron Age--Yuga )
__________________     
4,320,000 years = 1 Maha Yuga or 1/1000th of A Day of Brahma  
SD II 69 HPB III 422; Lucif XIII, 183-4


==============================


Chaldean Cycles . . . .	.IS I 30 fn
[ Berosus, Priest of the temple of Belus, Babylon ]
3,600 years = 1 Sar (or Saros )
IS I 21, 30, 34, 533 II 467, Path X 301,

600 years = 1 Neros

60 years = 1 Sossus

Berosus, Temple of Belus, Babylon IS I 30 fn 
SD II 38 331 432 566; SD I 114 314 389 435 649 655fn
Glos. 108 291 (Sar) 225 258

Solar or Heliacal Year 25,868 years Ocean 121 
( 1 Sub-race )

Metonic Cycle 6,586 days = cycle of eclipses or revolution of
= 18 yrs. 11 1/2 day--the moon's node )
[a cycle of 6,585 days is 18.041 yrs.] 

Grand Cycles	Orpheus: 120,000 years IS I 294 fn
Cassandrus 136,000 years IS I 294 fn   



Our Earth

1,955,884,687 years (in 1887) from the beginning of
"cosmic evolution"	SD II 68
- 300,000,000	Years as a Sandhi (twilight)
______________
1,664,884,687 years (in 1887) from the first appearance of 
"Humanity" (on this planetary chain) as a 
physical form SD II 68


18,618,728 years since the beginning of the Vaivaswata
Manvantara – or the human period up to
The year 1887	SD I 150fn II 69

 

B. C.
________________


18,618,727 Lighting up of Manas [ mind ] (as in 1887)   
SD I 150fn; SD II 69 254-5
4,000,000 c. Engulfing of Lemuria (e.g.:--Easter Island)  
[4th Round, 4th Globe, 3rd "Race"]	SD I 439
Easter Island - last evidence of Lemuria 
SD I 322 439 II 224 317

Atlantis [ Titans / Kabiri / Cyclops ]
[4th Round, 4th Globe, 4th "Race"]     

1,050,000 Beginning of the 5th "Race" SD II 141 144 435

Vedas SD I 269-71 II 483-4 450 606 616    
T M 5-67 Glos 361 IS I 444 THY 2-468    
Theos't I-247 COL I TOP. WQJ ART II 82-3
Theos't 9-428
Vedanta (Philos.) SD I 7 50-1 269 451 Glos 361 253
Uttara Mimansa – (Vyasa - founder)
Theos't I-201 287 9-411 Lucif 6-119
Advaita (non-dualistic) SD I 8 55 522 II 637 GLOS 7
(Shankaracharya - founder) ML 53-4   
Theos't 10-7 Glos 307
Dwaita (dualistic)  
Manu Smriti (Code of Manu dates from Krita Yuga) IS I 585-6

1,000,000 Aryan Race began SD II 395 Theosophy V. 45, p. 219

Brahmin invasion of Northern India	Is II 156fn 169 158 
Is II 323 192 SD I 209 II 565 Glos 222
Persians, Turanians, Goths, Slavs Is. I 569-576  
Is. II 426-433

1,000,000 - 500,000 B C


998,100 Cataclysms: Atlantis begins sinking SD II 141
Is I 557 593 SD II 10 144	Glos 42-3
869,000 Dwapara Yuga Commencement (since 1888) SD II 147    
( Kali-Yuga began 3,102 BC )
850,000 Since submergence of last large peninsula of
the Great Atlantis SD II 10
850,000	Glacial Period estimated by Stockwell & Croll	 
SD II 141 144
800,000	Angkor Wat built (2nd most Occult Edifice)	
Glos 223 Is I 239 561-8 271-2


500,000 - 250,000 B C


470,000	Babylon's astronomical observations are said to go back
to this period Nebo or Birs Nimrud, CWB 13-274 Isis I 533

450,000 Epoch of Ramayana (Brahmin estimate) C & J p. 73
Theos't Vol. 10-35 SD II 496 IS II 278 Glos
275

400,000	Egypt was settled by the Atlanteans and the Eastern
Aetheopeans (Malabar coast of India)	SD II 750



250,000 - 100,000 B C


250,000 + Last Glaciation of Europe Isis I 3

Pyramids were 3 times submerged D I 313 424 617  
SD II 462-6 575 435 749-50 351-3 462 351-2 93 276fn
429 GL 223 300 IS I 154 239 296-7 517-21  	
THY Vol. 67-p.54

Sphinx (Harmachus)	SD II 124 618 Glos 135-6 Is I 573

200,000	Chaldean Astronomical Observations extended back at the
time of Alexander's invasion _ Berosus SD I xxvi

200,000	Stockwell & Croll estimate of last Glaciation	SD II 144



100,000 - 30,000 B C



100,000 Glacial Period estimated by Stockwell & Croll	SD II 141 144

78,000 + Denderah Zodiac [ Egyptians brought from Lanka -- Menes ] 
SD II 374fn 431-6 456 577 580; IS I 440-1   

49,186 Egyptian Records go back to ( Diogenes Laertius ) 
by 8,863 yrs. in 323 BC IS I 33

34,300 Sumerian Tablet gives 32,234 yrs between Deluge
and last king of Isin c.200 BC Thy 16, p.195



30,000 - 10,000 B C


29,217 Alpha Polaris (Dhruva) (as Pole Star) (in 1888)
31,105 yrs ago Glos. 17

15,194 Zodiac Originated 1st degree of Aries ( Ram )

15,086 Vernal Equinox and 1st degree of Libra coincided SD I 658  
( 16,984 yrs ago in 1888 )

12,300	Vyasa - Uttara Mimansa and Vedanta taught	Isis II 621
"Bhadarayana"	SD I 50 269 451 Glos 361

11,100 Vega (Alpha Lyrae was Pole Star Thy 17-18

 
10,000 - 6,000 B C 


9,566 Deluge of Deucalion. Last Island of Atlantis ML p. 155
submerged. Last war between the 5 YRS OF THY 99fn 
 
"Sons of God" of the "White Island" and SD II 406 444fn
the last Atlantean sorcerers	ISIS I 589-594

9,500	Atlantis - Last Island sank Timaeus"- Plato as narrated
by Priests of Sais to Solon	TM 46-469

8,000 Hindu Initiates had same Secret Philosophy then      
as now (estimate)	SD II 406 IS II 535

8,000 Tchandalas begin to emigrate from India to Chaldea  
SD II 200 Glos 323 165 IS I 135 551-2 578  
Isis II 438-9 SD I 313fn  

7,975 End of the last Sidereal Year Ocean 129 SD I 649-50
(9,868 yrs. before 1893) SD II 314 331 432 470  

6,500 c Zarathustra (6,000 yrs. before Plato c 400 BC) Gl 384-5
IS I 19 II 141 SD I 464 II 323 Theos't I-135  
Thy 14-97
[Zoroaster was a Title - 24 Zoroasters. The last
was a contemporary of Gautama Buddha. c. 600 BC ]



6,000 - 4,000 B C


6,000/5,000 Trojan War was nearer 6,000 than 5,000 BC S D II 437fn
Thy 27-103 IS I 520 598 Glos 96 (Dardanus) 
SD II 101 236 440

5,100 Neith (1st Dynasty) Lucif 2-465 SD I 399 Glos 77 227 234

4,100 c Manu-Vina (Menes) to Masra (Cairo) IS I 627 516
SD II 335 374 431-2 436 746; Thy 15, 317



4,000 - 3,000 B C


3,750 Sargon I reigned (Prof. A.H.Sayce)	SD II 691

3,700 Local Deluge in Middle East S D II 691

3,200 c Date assigned to last Veda Vyasa by 
the Brahmins. [Vyasa is a title.] Glos 362

3,102 Kali Yuga began Feb. 16, AM: 2 Hrs, 27 Min, 30 Sec.
[ the only precise time given ] SD I 662
SD II 147 fn

3,102 Krishna's death Kali Yuga (18 Feb. 3,102 BC) Glos 170 387
[ midnight 17/18 ] Thy. I-p. 374; IV-p. 37

3,102 Hindu Zodiac Begins at sunrise Feb 18th SD I 662
( origin of present Hindu era: "Vikram Samvat" 
and Zodiac, Tiravalour, So. India )

3,100 c Vikramaditya rules at Ujjain ("Vikram Samvat") SD I 662
[ begins at Sunrise, February 18th 3,102 B C ]

3,100 c Fu-H'si ( Krishna of China ) Thy 14- 308

Po-H'si ( 1st Ruler of China) Thy 14- 1

3,100 c Arjuna to Patala ( marries Ulupi ) SD II 214fn   	
[ Orphean Mysteries ]	Glos 29
("Patala" = Mexico ) Thy 15, 546 IS II 561fn

3,100 c Orpheus identified with Arjuna Thy 27, 148 Glos 242
(On travel to Patala, stops in Greece)     
HPB ART III 138 IS I 532 II 129 550  
SD I 207 267fn 529 784 Lucif 16-273  
Theos't 5-20 Col 2 Bot, 
"Mysteries of Orpheus" established.


3,000 - 2,000 B C


3,000 c Gilgamesh epic, "Flood" of the Jewish Bible Thy 16, 307

2,875 c Akkadians (Semites) over-run Sumer Sargon IS I 576-78

2,800 c Yi-King (Chinese Kabala in dialect of Akkadians) 	
Thy 25-444

2,700 Hwang-Ti 3rd ruler after Po-H'si Thy 15-19 Thy 14-310

Babylon & Assyria Glos 47 37 IS I 567 ML 152 THY 16-194 307

2,253 Chaldean Astronomical Observations for the past 1903 years 	
	
Calliosthenes to Aristotle (c 350 BC) IS I 21
                    
Kasidim Glos 75 81 39 196 IS I xxviii 534 459 567
HPB Art III 134 ML 152 CWB 5-13 326-8 SD II 620

2,200 c Shu-King and Shi-King (China) Thy 14-310 IS I 11

Hammurabi (Code) Babylon Thy 16-196

2,000 c Sumeria old texts with interlinear Semitic Thy 16-194
translations Thy 21-414


2,000 - 1,000 B C


1,925 c Hittites capture Babylon IS I 567-8

1,850 c Chung-Ki (China ) Thy 14-34

1,700 c Knossos (Crete) at its height IS I 264 545
[ c 3,000 BC - 1,400 BC ]

1,628	Thera (Santorini) Volcano Erupts (Tree Ring Dating)
[ L A Times, Aug 29 1996 ]
[ End of Minoan Civilization, and tidal waves
overwhelm coasts of Eastern Mediterranean.]

1,600 c Hyksos ( Semites ) overran Egypt IS I 569-70

1,500 c Arameans over-ran Mesopotamia IS I 579

Phoenicians ( Semites ) IS I 569 567 572 545 



1,573 Moses born SD II 539 691 MOD PAN 45 HPB III 244 IS I 3 555
SD I 320fn 385 II 428 456 465 691 IS II 129 I 25 

1,447 Aries in its 15th degree SD II 436 fn SD I 658

1,400 c Achaeans to Crete destruction of Knossos dynasty
(Thera-Santorini volcano explodes ? )

1,350 c Tutankhamen XVIII Dynasty (son-in-law of Ikhnaton) 
                         
Aton replaced Amon-Ra -- Thebes-capital of Egypt

1,225 c Rameses II ( restored Karnak & many monuments )

Greeks: Aeolians Ionians Dorians Achaeans

Scythians from central Asia begin invading Russia
Khazaks (in 8th Cent. identified with Jews )

1,250 Sanchoniathon compiled religious writings SD II 440 fn
IS I 234 341-2 577-8 II 260 275 SD II 129 440 Glos 289



1,000-900 B C


1,000 c Aztecs to Central America S D II 445 Thy 16, 70-1

974-937 Solomon IS I 135 II 391 ML 345 SD II 591 M Pan 45-6

970-936 Hiram I at Tyre (Phoenician Jews ) I S I 19 135 566-8

945 Conjunction of all the Planets except Saturn SD II 63
(Note: also a great conj. in 1957, 1965-7 & Sun Eclipse )

900 c Inca Kings records begin Thy 16-25 Glos 154
HPB Art III 428 IS I 595-8

814 Founding of Carthage by Phoenicians in flight from Joshua 
son of Nun IS I 520 560 567 II 546  


700-600 B C

8 Cent c Hesiod Poet - no certainty on, later than Homer
Ascribed to him: Theogony
Shield of Heracles
Preserved Myths
SD I 425 648 II 450 603 764fn 775 IS I 558 567

  	
636c-546c Thales (Greece)	Glos 326 IS I 24 512 526

Miletus - founder of Milesian School of philosophy
Matter was one: water - no writings extant
Taught geometry and astronomy - a Phoenician
Said to have learned from Babylonians and Egyptians
Predicted Sun eclipse of 585 B C - polytheist
one of the 7 Wise Men of Greece

Egypt over-ran by Scyths, Assyrians, Medes, Cimmerians

Hermetic Philosophy & Mysteries transferred 
from Egypt to Greece Glos 140 219 Thy 27 196


700-600 B C

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Mysteries of Greece [ General Survey ]

Mysteries moved to Greece from Egypt Glos 219 140

Pythoness IS I xxxv-viii 358 531; II 590; Glos 266

Delphos (Mysteries of Apollo) Glos 267 295

Eleusis Thy 27, 149-152 532; Glos 112
IS II 44 98 131 138 145 IS I xii HPB Art I 18
Mod Pan 134-5

Ephesus Glos 114 27; IS II 155; Thy 28, 7

Samothrace IS I 132 234 302 570 23 Glos 287

             
Sodales (and Sodalean Oath) IS I 301 555  
IS II 131 SD II 212; Glos 302


1st Cent c Therapeutae (Pythag’ans) Key, 5 72; IS I 19; Glos 329

Theurgy Key 3; T M 18-148-151; IS I xlii; Glos 329

Corybantes SD II 106 I 400 Glos 47 43 88 92
              
Kybele Glos 182 
                
Dactyli-Priests of Kybele IS I xxviii Glos 93

Dionysos ( Dio-Nysos ) Apollo Glos 102 47 97
(similar to Osiris) - Sun IS I xiv
Mithras, Bacchus superseded IS II 165 491 560

Ceres Demeter Thy 39, 493; Glos 308

Persephone (Proserpina)

Orpheus (see 3,100 B C)	IS II 35 129; 
THY 25-58, 27-148; GLOS 242 219
SD I 336 fn II 756; T M 18-181;


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-----Original Message-----
From: Andre K 
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 3:14 AM
To: study@blavatsky.net
Subject: Prophecy

Dear Dallas,

Thank you for your response. Although i have read the following books since 
the last 2 years:

Isis Unveiled 1 and 2
S.D. 1,2 and 3
Bhagavad Gita
The Kabbala of Philo of Alexandria
Man in Evolution
The Four Sacred Seasons
Wind of the Spirit
To Light a Thousand Lamps
The Path of the Mystic
Expanding Horizons
The Voice of the Silence
H.P. Blavatsky and the Theosophical Movement
The Mahatma Letters
Fundamentals of the Esoteric Philosophy
Ocean of Theosophy
The Key to Theosophy
Occult Stories
Transactions of the Blavatsky Lodge
Fountain-source of Occultism
Occult Glossary
The Esoteric Tradition
The Gods Await

All (compiled) information still is of great help.

If i may, i have another question for you:

H.P.B. states, that the firt races showed up some 300 million years ago.

However, last week i read an article, which was originally published in The 
Theosophist Vol. LXXIX, March 1958, pp. 367-372, in which HPB makes 
calculations about the Rounds, Planets and Races, with completely different
figures. 


It is about Cosmic cycles, Manvantaras and Rounds.

Do you have an explanation with regard to these (big) differences.

Many thanks in advance.

Best regards,

André Kollen